DRAFT: Liberation theology is Marxism disguised as Catholic teaching

<p>Marxist-Leninists perceive morality, as most of us understand it, to be a bourgeois delusion employed by the capitalist class as a means of control and oppression of the proletariat.</p> <p>&#160;</p> <p>A Marxist Leninist, believing that the Communist Party is the vanguard of the proletariat, is only concerned with promulgating ideological consistency with revolutionary communist thought. This is why Marxist states suppress and persecute followers of religions who do not accept the communist party as the ultimate arbiter of everything.</p> <p>&#160;</p> <p>"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people". Karl Marx</p> <p>&#160;</p> <p>Liberation theology is Marxism disguised as Catholic teaching. A wolf in sheep's clothing. It is deployed as a means to infiltrate the Church (primarily in South America) and undermine its teaching. By doing so its Marxist clerical advocates can indoctrinate the masses at the masses.</p> <p>&#160;</p> <p>Liberation theology is a political parasite that feeds on the followers of Christ in their churches to pursue the aims of the revolution. It is more focused on its critique of capitalism than on the salvation of souls, though it twists the language and social gospel of the Church (e.g., cloth the poor, feed the hungry) to achieve its aim.... always political revolution and the seizure and maintenance of political power.</p> <p>&#160;</p> <p>Latin America, with its long history of corrupt fascist strongmen provides fertile ground for this faux Christian ideology. Pope Saint John Paul the Great, having experienced both fascism and Marxist-Leninism in the raw understood Liberation theology's corrupt spirit.</p>


Spartacus Added Jan 10, 2019 - 5:43am
Geez.  The Catholic Church is bowing to political "authority" of the time?  You may call it "Liberation theology", but I call all this "normal".
And yet it is not the Catholic Church alone that bows to political authority.  We, here in the USA, see protestant strains doing the same as well.  The fall of the Boy Scouts is a great example.  
The saying, "Get Woke, Go Broke" could not be more true with the Catholic Church.  The more it caters to politics and popular culture, the more irrelevant its message becomes.  
Ward Tipton Added Jan 10, 2019 - 6:08am
Thus ... inclusive of some of the comments, is why, despite being a person of great faith in God, I do not subscribe to religious institutions implemented by men, tickling the ears and teaching the traditions of men. 
Hussain -The Canadian Added Jan 10, 2019 - 4:43pm
As a Marxist, I can easily tell you, that both academically and historically, Marxism as a social and an economic system is quite different from Leninist thought.  
Besides, that quote above by Marx, did you read the full paragraph in which this quote is only three-quarters down? The full paragraph gives context, and is a psychological break down of organized Religion, and its role as a structural function within our society, which he saw as harmful.
As for Liberation theology, I'm not sure I understand your criticism of it, why is it bad?
Ken Added Jan 10, 2019 - 4:54pm
that's an interesting theory, Do you claim that liberation theology is wholly, mostly, or partly a Catholic movement?
He is 100% correct.  Catholocism was so strong in South America that the Marxists could not penetrate the culture.  The couldn't defeat the religion so they insinuated themselves into it and subverted its teachings.  This is well documented history.  It spread from south America up through central america and reached our borders as "Black Liberation Theology" - which, by the way was the type of church run by Reverend Wright that Obama attended for 20 years in Chicago.
Ken Added Jan 10, 2019 - 4:57pm
As a Marxist, I can easily tell you, that both academically and historically, Marxism as a social and an economic system is quite different from Leninist thought.  
IF you are a marxist, you don't understand your ideology very well.  It is no kind of economic system.  It generates no wealth.  redistributing wealth does not make an economic system.  If no wealth is created there is no wealth to redistribute.  That is why Marxist countries go broke as soon as they run out of other people's money.
Ken Added Jan 10, 2019 - 5:13pm
They have been run by european socialists for centuries.  Now they have elected a liberation theology pope - or at least a very self-described socialist/marxist pope.  Why would it surprise you that they have been corrupted as well?
Hussain -The Canadian Added Jan 10, 2019 - 5:48pm
@ Ken
You said I dont understand Marxism, yet you stopped your train of thought and did not give an example as to why I don't understand it?
It is indeed an economic system, thats why its called "Marxian economics" - The rest of your post is just your opinion, an opinion I may add that isnt that sophisticated or true. Did you even read anything from Marx?
Also, when you say "distribution of wealth", I hope you mean "taxation", otherwise, I can recommend several books on economics 101 that perhaps you need reading first before engaging, emotionally I may add, to this discussion. 
Ken Added Jan 10, 2019 - 6:24pm
I did not.  I stated exactly why.  You called it an economic system.  It is not.  it does not create any wealth, therefore it cannot be an economic system.  It is simply an political ideology.  Therefore by stating it is an economic system  you either don't understand that or you are being disingenuous.
Ken Added Jan 10, 2019 - 6:28pm
It is indeed an economic system, thats why its called "Marxian economics" - The rest of your post is just your opinion, an opinion I may add that isnt that sophisticated or true. Did you even read anything from Marx?
Yes I have read marx.  And no it isn't an economic system.  The DPRK is called the Democratic People's republic of Korea.  Does that make it democratic or a republic?  You can call it whatever you want, that doesn't make it accurate.
What I said was not my opinion, it is fact.  And no, I don't need any of your economics books, I have more economic books on my bookshelf than you have likely ever read.  I also have a major in Economics.
Capitalism is an economic system.  It creates wealth.  Marxism creates no wealth and is not an economic system.  It is that simple.
Hussain -The Canadian Added Jan 10, 2019 - 7:38pm
No its your opinion, and with all due respect, a lazy opinion to boot.
I'm not going to waste my time and everyone else's by going through this dance with you. Anyone can google Marxian economics, planned economies, wealth generation and distribution under Marxist philosophy, and see for themselves that its indeed an economic system. 
Doug Plumb Added Jan 11, 2019 - 3:56am
Marxism can easily penetrate Christian societies where Christianity is not understood. Where it is not understood is where it is looked at as just another religion, not in any fundamentally different way than all the others.
  Well dressed respectable, successful people in North America who attend church don't have a clue what Christianity is about. They go to church as a means of salvation and to make contacts. The preachers don't know what its about either. So its been destroyed in North America, so much so that you cannot explain what its about to church goers. Its like pouring water on a freshly waxed car, it just doesn't stick.
  As far as Marxism goes, its a feel good philosophy but has no grounding in logic as a political philosophy. You can't write laws from it because it immediately dispenses with as nonsense the only tool available from which to make laws, religion. On the empirical as opposed to reasonable side of things, it doesn't acknowledge the Pareto principle so is destined to failure. The purpose of Marxism if to fail, its a Talmudic ideology, and it was created to destroy common law societies and put oligarchs back in control of the laws.
Ward Tipton Added Jan 11, 2019 - 4:52am
It has been a long time since I have read Marx ... as in many decades ago ... but one of the challenges we were given was to read him, ignoring the political diatribe and focusing on the economic system introduced as a counter-balance to capitalism. Marxism was originally, I believe, designed as a means to balance the excess of capitalism, though based on the funding of the research and work, or merely based on the political frustrations of Marx himself, was expanded into a more systemic approach. Now while I do not agree with the Marxist economic policies, neither have we really ever had a true free market system to make comparisons either. We have virtually always had a crony-capitalist market that seems to favor those who can purchase the political persuasion du jour. 
Phoenix Added Jan 11, 2019 - 11:59am
Liberation theology is bad because, like Marxism, it views people fundamentally as members of a class, not individuals. It thus foments class war regardless of individual innocence. It downplays individual responsibility and choice in favor of theology like "mutual salvation" or "group salvation" or other non-individual currents which amount to nothing more than "you're only as good as what you've done recently". It has no room for the supernatural, for the individual, or for even, the personal. It is like the 1950's Soviet tank -- close-minded, material, dysfunctional, and unable to help those whose name it claims. 
As you can see, liberation theology is a Marxist-Leninist subterfuge, a speaking of holy things but meaning material things, a disavowal of individual responsibility, a recipe for bloodshed instead of atonement and forgiveness, a way towards perpetual strife instead of the peace of Christ. 
Ken Added Jan 11, 2019 - 12:34pm
No its your opinion, and with all due respect, a lazy opinion to boot.
Not opinion, it is fact.  That is like saying "Democracy is an economic system".  They are political philosophies, not economic system.
Funny who you cannot/will not defend it simply accuse me of being lazy.  I have stated why it is not an economic system.  You say "go look up the opposition research".  No, defend your position and tell me how I am wrong.  Explain how marxism creates wealth.  You can't because it doesn't.  That is not an economic system.  That is simply a system to redistribute existing capital to meet a political goal until that capital dries up.
Dino Manalis Added Jan 11, 2019 - 12:48pm
 That's why we should separate religion from politics!