Religion - Source of All Evil

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ALL RELIGIONS ARE WRONG. ALL OF THEM. ABOUT EVERYTHING. Don't trust them. Don't believe in them. Most important, don't give them your money. If it wasn't for these various religions, the world would be a much, much, much better place to live. The vast majority of bloodshed, conflict, and general misery that has existed since their respective advents can be placed firmly at their feet. Of all of them, Christianity is BY FAR the worst. Everything from the Crusades, to the Spanish Inquisition, to the rape and conquest of the New World, to slavery, to Manifest Destiny, and, and, and, and, can be directly attributed to cross-worshipping, hypocritical Christian assholes, extortionists, plunderers, thieves, and murderers.

 

"A man needs religion like a fish needs a bicycle." So true, unless the purpose of the religion is to exploit and subjugate others. Then, and only then, does it start to make perfect sense. Besides various governments, various religions are among the largest extortion and shakedown schemes in all of human history, and make the most ruthless and vicious criminal gangs and syndicates look like rank amateurs. I read somewhere that Christianity is making people feel guilty about the air they breathe, and then charging them for it. RIGHT ON! Samuel Johnson said that patriotism was the last refuge of a scoundrel. BULLSHIT. RELIGION is the last, if not the very FIRST refuge of scoundrels. Been to a prison lately?

 

Although I've never fell for this crap, I've lived my life far more virtuously than most others that believe in all of this silly hocus-pocus. I have no faith in faith, and I don't believe in beliefs, but I've always respected other people's rights to do so. Not any more. FUCK ALL OF YOU HYPOCRITES!

 

So, rather than being true Christians and helping me "see the light," or at least attempting to understand my viewpoints, or the viewpoints of others, you simply belch out biblical bullshit. Your distinctly NON-CHRISTIAN, twisted and demented views have drove me in the completely opposite direction. Idiots like you will condemn remote Pacific Islanders who have never even heard of Jesus to go straight to hell, regardless of what good and nice people they would be, if not introduced to your savage and evil cult.

 

Judge away, you sanctimonious jerkoffs, from my perspective, it is people like you who already live in a self-created Hell, in addition to whatever other Hells you are destined for. Right here, right now. If you're even reading this, it proves that you're a hypocrite. Shouldn't you be out somewhere else, helping the poor, or praying? What the fuck are you doing here anyway? To be fair, I think the world's big enough for everybody, at least for the time being. MOVE TO AMISH COUNTRY! NO TV'S! NO PORN! NO NOTHING, BUT HARD WORK AND THE BIBLE! WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR!

 

The Roman Empire’s fall was caused by Christianity, which went on to plunge the areas under its control into the insanity and darkness of the Middle Ages, and only when the Muslims threatened them with extinction did they kind of get their shit together. That’s what most of these evils religions are up to; turning the clock back hundreds of years so they can rule, exploit, torture, maim, fuck over, and finally KILL in order to enrich them, you know, because it’s GOD’S WILL.

Comments

John Minehan Added Jan 12, 2019 - 3:41pm
“Every day people are straying away from the church and going back to      G-d.”
Lenny Bruce
Neil Lock Added Jan 12, 2019 - 3:41pm
Well, this is the first time I've been in the happy position of giving the first "like" to an article. I thought it was The Management who usually give you the first up-thumb to put you on the map, so to speak.
 
But yes, Michael, basically I have to agree with your thesis. Politicians, religious leaders, those that profit from politics and those that profit from religion, are all on the same side. And that isn't ours. Not yours or mine, at least. Nor, indeed, "democracy" notwithstanding, are they on the side of the idiots that vote for them. Nor of the "faithful" who robotically partake of their mind-numbing rituals. 
 
However, I'm not sure that religion is, at least in its origins, quite as bad as you make out. I was brought up, long ago, on the Old Testament, and I don't think Moses was such a bad dude after all. Nor are the people who really do try to keep to Moses' rules, yet don't try to force anyone to keep to their particular interpretation of them. We have a few of those here, like TexasLynn. These people, I think, are friends rather than enemies.
 
Great pity, though, about those that intone "Thou shalt not steal," yet favour re-distributory taxation. Those that intone, "Thou shalt not kill," yet favour aggressive wars. Those that intone, "Thou shalt not commit adultery," yet try to make out that means that people who aren't married shouldn't have sex with each other. Those that intone, "Thou shalt not bear false witness," yet will lie about anything when they think they can profit.
Neil Lock Added Jan 12, 2019 - 3:44pm
Well, I don't mind being beaten to the first punch by John Minehan - particularly since his point is a really good one. But I'm glad we both got in ahead of Ryan :-)
Liberal1 Added Jan 12, 2019 - 3:47pm
Nope.
 
I consider myself to be a Christian, but I don't give a shit if you "see the light" or not.   I choose to believe what I choose to believe and extend you the same right, in spite of YOU writing a post where you are telling me how and what I should believe while simultaneously calling me a "hypocrite" (I'm not your mirror, there sunshine).
Webmaster Added Jan 12, 2019 - 3:50pm
Thank you, a very good article, back in school, I was shocked by how the clergy burned Giordano Bruno, it seems they also mocked Galileo. Many women were killed in Europe by inquisition, in Russia many people voluntarily burned themselves because they did not want to change the rite of worship to a new one. But you should probably better take nickname Atheist, because calling yourself The Anti-Christ you support religion as Satan is a part of religion too. In all other theses I fully agree and will keep your article for a pleasant re-reading.
@ John M. - that was a good way of putting it.
@ Neil - Funny, every person I can think of that had a biblical name, like Moses, Ezekiel, and especially Jesus, has been a total, complete, and absolute ASSHOLE. Every time I encounter such a person, I expect the worse, and have yet to be disappointed, lol.
@ L1 - Zero fucks given about you too there, dude.
 
@ Webmaster - Yeah, they were a barrel of fucking monkeys, weren't they? LOL
By the way, my current handle reflects my current avatar, lol.
Webmaster Added Jan 12, 2019 - 4:10pm
Sure, and it is even surprising how many people christianity killed. It becomes especially terrible when you learn christianity not from retellings of good agitators, but when you read about its teaching yourself. The ideal christian is a monk in rags, eating peas and dry bread and living in a cave or cell, never married, thinking all his life of the kingdom of heaven and waiting for the reward for these hardships after death.
Jeff Michka Added Jan 12, 2019 - 4:48pm
But ol Lyin Ryan, a self declared Geezus will tell you basically Xtainity is all love and hasn't killed anybody historically.  Remember, it's all about selling, and those buying "It's pie in the sky when you die."  The motivation is keep masses quiet and quietly waiting, ignoring their oppressors and oppression.  Mostly sold to Xtains fearing "what lies beyond," thinking there's some easy, cheap explanation for the concept of eternity, like everything else they want explained easily and simplified down to bumper sticker length.  All else is too much work or is, as all the "good Xtains" want to ram down people's throats "or else."  huh?  Good description of the Xtain ideal, webmaster.  Now, mind you, I don't care if someone else believes in skyguys and pie in the sky, just don't demand I must.
Leroy Added Jan 12, 2019 - 5:28pm
I don't begrudge anyone for having a religion or none at all.  All I ask is not to push your beliefs or lack thereof on me. 
 
I find some religions to be comical, particularly the one that took the life of a simple man and turned it into a sideshow complete with grown men walking with venus fly trap hats on their head uttering phrases in Latin that 99.9% of the people don't understand with the leader claiming himself infallible.  I'm dubious of anyone who claims infallibility. 
 
I'm even more dubious of religions based on science such as Climate Change.  I accept that everyone has the right to believe in anything they want no matter how ridiculous it may be--and most of it is ridiculous. 
 
Many go to great lengths to show they believe in god when in fact they don't.  It is human nature to believe in a power greater than one's self.  In my short time on earth, the most religious people tend to be the most ignorant and the most intelligent.   The intelligent have a difficult time accepting that there nothing superior to their own intelligence.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 12, 2019 - 5:32pm
Rev -  A) What are YOU doing here, and B) How's that workin' for ya?
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 12, 2019 - 5:33pm
A+  Michael. Always knew you had it in you :) LOL
John Minehan Added Jan 12, 2019 - 7:17pm
"The ideal christian is a monk in rags, eating peas and dry bread and living in a cave or cell, never married, thinking all his life of the kingdom of heaven and waiting for the reward for these hardships after death."
 
Naw.  The ideal Christian lived by this, "Love one another as I have loved you."
 
Do they succeed?  No, it is damn hard.  I'm not sure I ever met an ideal Christian.  But trying to live up to that can help you be better than you might have been had you not thought about it.
 
Which is a pretty big thing.  
Dave Volek Added Jan 12, 2019 - 7:24pm
John
I think you said it well. If a person is using religion to be a better person and be of service to his family and community, that is great. The rest of us should be happy that this person has been inspired in this way.
 
Logical Man Added Jan 12, 2019 - 8:37pm
Religious belief is just lazy. Letting someone else do your thinking for you can't be a good thing, unless you are really hampered in that department.
Liberal1 Added Jan 12, 2019 - 9:02pm
Religious belief is just lazy. 
 
Logical Man, until you can explain where the makings of a single atom came from, much less the universe(s), my guess is every bit as valid as your's.   Saying otherwise, on top of being egotistical and condescending, is, well...  lazy. 
 
In other words, you can believe whatever the fuck y'all wish about my beliefs chère amie, but if you aren't willing to extend the same to everyone else then you are the one who wants to do other people's thinking for them, not me.
Marty Koval Added Jan 12, 2019 - 9:38pm
There is much speculation about the identity of the Antichrist. Some of the more popular targets are Vladimir Putin, Prince William, and Pope Francis. In the United States, former President Barack Obama and current President Donald Trump are the most frequent targets.  Now a new suspect turned up, Ryan Messano. So, who is the Antichrist, and how will we recognize him?
 
The Bible really does not say anything specific about where the Antichrist will come from. Many Bible scholars speculate that he will come from a confederacy of ten nations and/or a reborn Roman empire (Daniel 7:24-25; Revelation 17:7). Others see him as having to be a Jew in order to claim to be the Messiah. It is all just speculation since the Bible does not specifically say where the Antichrist will come from or what ethnicity he will be. One day, the Antichrist will be revealed. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 tells us how we will recognize the Antichrist: “Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God.”
 
It is likely that most people who are alive when the Antichrist is revealed will be very surprised at his identity. The Antichrist may or may not be alive today. Martin Luther was convinced that the pope in his time was the Antichrist. During the 1940’s, many believed Adolph Hitler was the Antichrist. Others who have lived in the past few hundred years have been equally sure as to the identity of the Antichrist. So far, they have all been incorrect. We should put the speculations behind us and focus on what the Bible actually says about the Antichrist. Revelation 13:5-8 declares, “The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months. He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world.”
Liberal1 Added Jan 12, 2019 - 11:47pm
There is much speculation about the identity of the Antichrist.
 
Nah.  The Antichrist is none other than Nick Saban.  That was clear the minute that tchew left my blessed LSU Tigers and eventually became the coach of Satan's Minions at Alabama!
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 13, 2019 - 3:43am
Wasn't addressing you Bagala.....our antichrist is none other than the Michael B, not Bagala. You are correct: I know nothing about you. But keep posting and commenting. Then I will :)
Doug Plumb Added Jan 13, 2019 - 3:53am
re "The greatest foe Western civilization constantly fights is the "revolutionary Jewish spirit" which has revolted against the West since the time of Rome and the fall of the Temple of Jerusalem
This battle against Western civilization has given birth to ideologies ranging from Communism, Atheism, Secularism, to Cultural Marxism with the aim to destroy Christianity and Christ."
 
  That's it right there and its has not only been the foe of the West. They have been kicked out of over 100 countries for their shennanigans. A Jewish world government will simply erase humanity out of existence, including themselves. If you look through the Talmud you can see that its a crazy death-cult. Kant comments how China is owned by Jews in a 200 year old book. No wonder China has been such a mess.
  Its all about killing the common law and getting Noahide in its place.
 
Ward Tipton Added Jan 13, 2019 - 5:31am
Substitute the word "Government" for the word "Religion" and the shoe still fits. While I have strong faith in God, I do not put much stock in religion. That being said, Dave is right on point there, if people use this as a means to find meaningful and benevolent direction in their life, more power to them! 
John Minehan Added Jan 13, 2019 - 7:01am
"On the contrary, John, meekness in Christianity is NOT sitting idly by while evil is being perpetrated."
 
But it also isn't judging sinners, G-d's role, not man's.
 
What it is, in my opinion, is trying to speak out for what is right, even when it is unpopular.
 
I don't know if I do it, but I think we all have to do it, however imperfectly.  And we have to do it with charity, since all of us fall short.  
opher goodwin Added Jan 13, 2019 - 7:29am
Amen to all that!!
Marty Koval Added Jan 13, 2019 - 7:36am
James 4:11-12 - Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you-who are you to judge your neighbor?
Stone-Eater Added Jan 13, 2019 - 7:36am
Michael
 
Wow. You made my Sunday :-))
Stone-Eater Added Jan 13, 2019 - 7:43am
Messie
 
Autumn, honestly, why is this garbage tolerated.
 
That shows the margin of tolerance of these religious extremists. Ask Mum to change your diapers.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 13, 2019 - 7:54am
BTW:
 
I'm not against religion but demand that
 
a) religion must be private. No missioning !
 
b) religious people have the obligaton to act in order to what religion tells them, not sit in a corner and pray to their hallucinations. Means: Do good. Work for free for the poor, do development work, accept the other as he is (no hate, narrow-mindedness, putting down your next) etc.
 
If not, they're mere hypocrits. As 99% are, I guess.
 
The worst is a religiously conditioned racist. There is your Anti-Christ.
Leroy Added Jan 13, 2019 - 8:19am
And if Climate Change is your religion, don't use fossil fuels or any derivatives thereof.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 13, 2019 - 8:21am
@ the alternative Ryan. "ALL RELIGIONS ARE WRONG. ALL OF THEM. ABOUT EVERYTHING. Don't trust them. Don't believe in them. Most important, don't give them your money. If it wasn't for these various religions, the world would be a much, much, much better place to live. The vast majority of bloodshed, conflict, and general misery that has existed since their respective advents can be placed firmly at their feet. Of all of them, Christianity is BY FAR the worst. Everything from the Crusades, to the Spanish Inquisition, to the rape and conquest of the New World, to slavery, to Manifest Destiny, and, and, and, and, can be directly attributed to cross-worshipping, hypocritical Christian assholes, extortionists, plunderers, thieves, and murderers."
 
I appreciate this style of writing as I employ it, writing as though I were in the person's head. Here one writes using the person's altered avatar. Hence, there is no doubt as to the writer's intent.  I differ, though, as to my approach, which is to refrain from venomously and personally berating one for his or her conviction, religious, political or otherwise. However, I would lead the persons to see the error in their ways by teaching them how to gentle strokes that which they so despise to have it ooze ambrosia which they can lap up to their fill. When that is done, they will be at ease to see the light which their religious zeal and dogma have blinded them to.
 
Aesop's Fable informs the approach. A hard blow job will have a person cling more to his beliefs as opposed to the warmth of a properly stroked box. Also, it was said a certain Black jazz singer was so enchanting she could cause a pastor to put down his Bible [and whip out his Johnson]. There is hope for Reverent Zealot.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Dino Manalis Added Jan 13, 2019 - 8:32am
 Religion is the source of morality, it gives us hope and endurance in this material world, because money and science cannot solve everything.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 13, 2019 - 8:37am
@Dino. "Religion is the source of morality, it gives us hope and endurance in this material world, because money and science cannot solve everything."
 
What about some terrible wars?
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 13, 2019 - 9:30am
Still, I enjoy religious music. 
Ahhhh! It felt good to delete the comments of Messy Ass and his new butt-buddies! This IDIOT continues to crack me up. Keep it coming, you fucking lame-ass butt-fucking bible boy. Same some K-Y for your new lovers though...unless they like it rough, lol.
I like how these hypocrite assholes seem to be standing in line to whine to AC...the same cumstains who are always using words like "snowflake"...who's being snowflakes here, LOOOOOL!
Logical Man Added Jan 13, 2019 - 10:33am
L1 at no point did I suggest I want to do anyone else's thinking and using an invisible sky-guy, for which there is zero evidence, to explain anything pretty much proves my point.
 
I will delete ANY comment I feel should be deleted - Messy Ass and his butt-buddies are mandatory and at the top of the list. You assholes are getting nothing but doses of your own medicine.
Thanks Mohammed, but your anti-Semitism is way off - I'm not a Jew, never have been, never will be one. There are no shortage of acknowledged Jews here, go tell that shit to them, you goat-fucker, lol.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 13, 2019 - 12:09pm
Bagala -  you are getting yourself overly exercised here, apparently late to the game and thus miss the intent behind the most recent iterations of the beloved WB Vulgarian, Michael B
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 13, 2019 - 12:13pm
Of the WB Menagerie the most christian in his conduct, IMO, would be TexasLynn. The rev exhibits the kind of inflatable, faux christianity as is worn by a self loathing, closet homo. Of course that is just MY opinion. You'd need to ask others for their assessment :)
@ TBH - Agreed, I think TL is a credit to his faith, one of the few I might add, lol.
The Burghal Hidage Added Jan 13, 2019 - 12:32pm
indeed :)
Arabs...the Mexicans of the Middle East, LOOOL!
I'll catch up later...looking forward to some good comment deletions! By the way AC, in case you're reading, I'll switch back to "normal" mode when I stop having so much fun with this, lol! Also, the reverend continues to break the rules by posting multiple nonsensical pseudo-religious hate-filled rants in a row. And you have a Jew-hater problem, too, judging from the remarks of this latest twit who clearly can't take a hint, LOOOL!
Michael B Bagala Added Jan 13, 2019 - 2:22pm
Hey bimbo what is with the "lool" "lie a lot"? Get over it dingo. Attacking Christianity means I can attack Judaism and I have good reason to do so. Your mamby pamby wimpy delete is your only defense. Obviously, that act does not take any brain cells and "Gayatollah" aka Cock sucking wimp like you can only delete not debate.
btw my language matches the low vulgarity that is encouraged. I  have a vast repertoire of cuss words but usually, refrain from using it. In your case with your gutter mind, you seem to love it. As for "Goat fucker" which you called me, Hey my big black dick will fuck your goat ass anytime. oh LOOOL
Koshersalaami Added Jan 13, 2019 - 4:08pm
Yet another atheist evangelist. I’m not evangelistic about my religion but the author of this post is evangelistic about atheism. I don’t care who leaves their version of Watchtower on my doorstep, they’ve still littered my doorstep. Jews have been told not to worship by Christian governments and told not to worship by atheistic governments. 
 
I am not recruiting you. It is against my religion to recruit you, not that I’d recruit you if it weren’t. 
 
Of course, this isn’t a realistic attempt at recruitment because no one will ever become an atheist because of a post like this. It’s a combination of rant, accusation, and insult, nothing more. What value does religion have? Is there anything important about religion other than faith? I doubt you’re curious enough to ask any of that. For one thing, it isn’t generally consistent religion to religion or sect to sect, though some things are. 
 
Does religion every accomplish anything of value in the secular world? That depends on what you value. But, what the Hell, here, maybe you’ll recognize this:
 
”In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea
With a glory in His bosom that transfigured you and me
As he died to make men holy, let us die to make men free,
While God is marching on”
 
Final verse of the most popular song among Union forces in the American Civil War, very in keeping with the strongly evangelical nature of the Abolitionist movement, personified by John Brown among others. 
 
Religion is a double-edged sword. 
John Minehan Added Jan 13, 2019 - 4:19pm
I do have to admit that whenever I hear that, I am tempted to start singing Blood Upon the Risers . . . .
Holy dogshit! What impeccable timing! Hey Boogala, a Jew just showed up! I'm going to retain that comment for purposes of "color", lol. I'm sorry I called you a goat-fucker...you goat-fucking sand nigger. You really need to get your racial slurs and epithets in order to have any credibility here, lol.
 
"Hey my big black dick will fuck your goat ass anytime. oh LOOOL"
 
Hey Reverend! Ryan! Ryan! Calling Mr. Messano! I have someone here who would like to meat, I mean, meet you! Boogala, I gotta ask, do you pronounce hey like hay, or like, heeeeyyyyy....I'm sure Ryan loves that, LOOOOL!!!
Stone-Eater Added Jan 13, 2019 - 4:44pm
Michael Bagala
 
Wow. I think YOU are more occupied with the color question than Rupert Green is.....
Stone-Eater Added Jan 13, 2019 - 4:48pm
your white superiors
 
 
You know what I mean ? I see no difference between white racists and such a comment which is no better and put all whites into the same pot. Or am I wrong ?
 
Boogala, the Jews and Ryan are waiting, especially Ryan, LOOOOL!!!
Stone-Eater Added Jan 13, 2019 - 5:11pm
Bagala
 
racists like you
 
Well, that one shows that you either don't read properly what other writers say, or you read it but don't understand it. 
 
Probably you changed your name, I can't remember a discussion with you about being Sinhala or Tamil. But a) what has that to do with blacks and b) I know Sri Lanka, and we have quite a few Sri Lankans here. Why should they be a problem ?
 
Look into the mirror. Who is the racist ? You call Tamils liars because you're Sinhala. You accuse many here as being racist but then you disqualify yourself by showing that you're one by generalizing a people.
 
Note: Racists do generalize. Why ? Because they don't know.
 
*sigh*
Stone, you should follow what I call the three "I"s...people who are Insane, Idiotic, or Intoxicated should be ignored, scorned, and/or ridiculed, and apparently Oogala-Boogala is all three. I'm having fun at the thought of him ass-raping the reverend though, lol.
Boogala, I just had an idea. Why don't you write a post yourself, that way you don't have to worry about white devils like me "keeping you down". Please do so...I'll TROLL the hell out of you, and in turn, you can DELETE the hell away. Can your amoeba-like brain process that concept?
Boogala, you're not very bright, are you? In many ways, you're the absolute personification of the Third World, lol.
Michael B Bagala Added Jan 13, 2019 - 6:34pm
Stone facer: fuck you jackass when did this forum suddenly become virtuous? when did you suddenly give a flying fuck you God hating piece of shit. 
As for you Gaya faggot. Yahweh is waiting for you to get down on 4's so he can but fuck your ass. Yahweh is the Satan's bitch whore and you are its vomit.
Boogala, I'm going to keep that one, too. I actually should be applauding your comments, as you're proving that racism, sexism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, and whatever else I can throw in proves beyond a doubt that such things aren't strictly in the realm of us evil White devils! I'm also intrigued at seeing a racist homosexual rapist in action, LOOOL!!! 
Boogala, I actually took the UNPRECEDENTED step of flagging your comments! Not like I give a fuck about them, but I'm interested in seeing if that feature actually works, lol. Let's see if any double standards are being maintained; people like you are very sensitive to double standards, unless, of course, the double standards are in your favor...then they're OK, aren't they?
Michael B Bagala Added Jan 13, 2019 - 7:50pm
As I wrote and guessed right you deleted the last comment which was the most important, it showed you for what you are, it did not cuss and your act is to get rid of me. Hey you won. you are devious racist. It began when Kash and I debated about Judaism. You hated that and My time was then counted. You are inside an ugly vile man. treacherous and devious. 
Boogala, I'm going to keep that one, too! Much like your cretinous melanin-rich brethren, you ignore sound advice, and, coupled with your dual inferiority and persecution complex in addition to your innate tendencies toward being corrupt as fucking hell, continue to make decisions that make White devils like me wonder how and why you fuckheads are "independent", HAHAHAHAHHA, LOOOOOL!!!!
Boogala, how many times do I have to tell you...WRITE YOUR OWN POST!!!! Many people here absolutely fucking HATE white people, including a lot of white people themselves, so you should have plenty of sympathizers, like Jews and Europeans who have an affinity for Africa....oh wait, you managed to alienate them, too! Holy fuck, what to do?
Michael B Bagala Added Jan 13, 2019 - 8:50pm
Gay faggot. when you set me up and I decided to go full steam at you I also knew that means I will be booted out. That is the price I already knew i will pay. I found your forum disgusting the moment you decided to delete debate and only keep anger and hatred. Again. 
Your hatred of Religion includes Judaism
Your Hatred of Christians includes Jews.  The only difference is you are a hypocrite and direct your hatred to Christians without mentioning God the Father as in Yahweh for that would out you for what you are and that is an AntiSemite.  in addition. you want to see Jews exterminated for under Communism Jews fared badly Atheism wipes out Jew as much as they do Christians. but you do not dare entertain the needed debate so that others can uderstand the worlwide rise of Jewish hatred. 
France and the Yellow Vests is central since France has the largest European Jewish population. the Yellow vests are not shouting out anti Muslim rhetoric. As a matter of fact there are Muslims among them. They are anti Jewish.  so here again.;  NO I copied for reprinting:
 

Of course, you would you racist snake. how come you did not keep the comment that showed you for what you are? deleted that one didn't you?  Here you are in full display of your abusive language on Christianity. you had no problems egging me on. you made sure to delete any good decent comment I made then you egged me. what is pitiful is your childish petulant display of intolerance.  I have seen your kind way too often.
As I said earlier and I will sum it up. you will avoid any debate that will expose why there is a rise of hatred towards Jews. 
you will watch as and wait like spider till Jews are attacked because of your own hatred of them. The Yellow Vest protests are squarely aimed at the Jews. they are now going after the Jewish banking system. 
Today Israel is taking on the entire Muslim world and they have turned against the Jews. It is an impossible task to have America take on the world of Islam and her 1.5 billion. Jews today have more people hating them than ever before in their entire history and that includes people in Europe and now America and yet YOU vile creature will do what you can to stop any intelligent debate because you are a retarded child a petulant bitter little hate-filled creature living in a Christian society and hating it. 
America is more your land than mine. American Christianity is more your heritage than mine. Your hatred of it shows your mental instability and it is not contained to Christianity alone. You are an enemy of religion and of the Jews. 
Every time I see the typed in laughter and the "lol" it is fake. you are angry that you have been outed and do not know how to handle it.

 
Stone-Eater Added Jan 13, 2019 - 9:01pm
Bogaga
 
It seems to me that you have not only enjoyed almost no education but also seem not to be equipped with the best nerves. Pity...
Boogala, you're on a roll! Keep it up! I won't delete this one! Too fucking funny!!! You're doing all of my dirty work for me!!! Hahahahahahahahahah!!!!!
Michael B Bagala Added Jan 13, 2019 - 9:46pm
I am done. Show me the exit anytime.
Boogala, as someone who has already repeatedly demonstrated homosexual rapist sentiments, I'm not very well-disposed toward pointing out "exits" to someone like you, hahahhhaha looool!
Gerrilea Added Jan 13, 2019 - 9:53pm
Michael B-- Interesting article and ensuing conversation.... ROFL.
 
I seriously wonder how much of what is said here is just fun & entertainment for the posters.  Probably some kid playing in their bedroom on a Sunday afternoon trying to avoid doing their homework.
 
I will say, you really did "trigger" some of them.  Praise Jesus!  Oh wait, I probably shouldn't have used that last part. (wink  wink).
 
I seriously agree with you Michael B, most people of "faith" are hypocrites, especially the ones blessed by the Almighty State and given tax-exempt status.
 
John M does point out something that I've came to understand 20+ yrs ago.  My personal faith started in a Catholic Church and that's where I was introduced into concepts and ideas that all we see is not all we must become.  I can be more, if I so chose.
 
Belief is truly a very powerful thing and has done more harm than good on this planet, from what I've experienced.
 
The first step in accepting your slavery is to admit that you are/we born with sin.  It's how they warp your mind, trap your spirit and enslave your body.  The only thing that I accept as truth, I am human and therefore cannot be perfect, but it doesn't hurt trying to make myself & the world better before I end.
 
John M encapsulated it very well, "love one another".
 
@ Gerrilea - LOOOL, you got my number! This was half-serious and half-jest, I'm glad you got it! Something I heard not too long ago:
 
"Religion is good for good people, and bad for bad people."
 
John M. is a good person, and Ryan M. is a very, very, VERY BAD person.
Jim Stoner Added Jan 14, 2019 - 2:27am
I am a determined agnostic and can't see why anyone truly is different, if they think about it a little.  But that's just me--maybe some know something I do not.  
 
 That being said, it's clear that religion stems from a fundamental human urge.  For some people, that urge can be filled by scientific knowledge; others have structured religion; others are more creative in their spiritual tastes. 
 
I agree 100% on the money thing:  religions should have their tax exemption removed completely from commercial activities.  For example, religious institutions should be paying property tax, like any other property owners. 
Don in Odessa Added Jan 14, 2019 - 9:16am
@Michael B.
I disagree to a degree Michael. What I have noticed in my near 70 years is the lack of tolerance and respect for the differences of culture and spiritual beliefs in this thing we call humanity. I am a Christian,  but I stop at the door of criticism when it comes to another's faith. It has been my observation and experience that religion, when exercised with respect and tolerance can be and often is the source of peaceful coexistence. 
 
What I do object to is the exercise of evil in the name of religion.
Whether created by a higher intelligence, or born from the slime, we were given the freedom to choose our own way in this world. That basic gift of life, should be respected by each of us, with the recognition that all else can be deferred, as the prerogative of another allows. We should be free to discuss our differences without the threat of violence or evil. That gift, should not be quenched or restricted, except when the exercise of that gift infringes on the right of another to do the same. Just to be clear, I speak relative to the worship and recognition of deities, not devils and demons and those defined as good and evil respectively. Good and Evil being the generally accepted understanding of such things by humanity as a whole.
 
So many atheists I have encountered over the years, have this superior, condescending attitude, that wreaks of the odor that those of faith are under a delusion and are stupid for believing in something they can't prove. The irony is laughable. Neither the believer or the atheist can prove their position. Both positions and all in between are a matter of faith; and that based on the information they have, have chosen the proper course for their own lives.
 
Yes I realize this runs counter to much of history. But it shouldn't have.
Doug Plumb Added Jan 14, 2019 - 1:10pm
Michael, just go to where you sign in and choose "new article"
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 14, 2019 - 1:30pm
Michael B., the only religion that you have condemned is Christianity?  So my first conclusion is that your a FRAUD. 
 
You didn't condemn the three major religions of ' THE BOOK' WHICH MUHAMMAD SAID.  The children of Abraham.   So then your against Jesus and the principle of salvation theology, however: Modern Judaism, after ~550 BC, is also a salvation theology religion.   How about classic Judaism which as a judgmental theology.  Islam is also a judgmental and like classic Judaism had a promise land and also had a government wrapped by their religion, however; for most of the existence of Judaism no formal central government existed.  So Michael B.  I would love to actually know what your criteria for choosing Christianity?
 
Then look at the non-of the book religions.  Confucianism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Iranian religions, other Indian religions, other Asian religions, African religions, American religions, and the religions of the island and subcontinents in the Pacific Ocean.    Finally the new age religions of Socialism which include Democratic Socialism, Liberalism, Fascism, and Communism.  Obviously you must be including all of them.  Many of them wrap the religion around a government.  
 
So I also want your response that you must also then condemn Socialism!!!!
Webmaster Added Jan 14, 2019 - 3:39pm
There are about 120 religions in the world, but there is only one textbook of physics for the whole world.
Thank you all for some interesting comments...except for MessyAss and my new friend, Oogala Boogala! MessyAss, Ooogala has expressed some interest in sticking his black fag dick up a white fag's ass, and you leap to mind, LOOOL!!!
Webmaster Added Jan 14, 2019 - 3:59pm
Michael B., you are a very brave man as you rebel against religion, not long ago the inquisitors would burn you in Roman city square, LOL.
Webmaster, yes, they would have, huh? Proving that GOD LOVES ME, lol.
Webmaster Added Jan 14, 2019 - 4:14pm
Sure, it would be done to prove his greatest love right to you, and today, on the site of auto-da-fe, grateful descendants probably would erect a monument to you, although at the stake that would be poor consolation, lol.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 14, 2019 - 5:07pm
Don
 
Neither the believer or the atheist can prove their position.
 
What IS proof ? I guess by looking at the subject rationally, science is closer to any "truth" than religion is. Out of sheer LOGIC. And nature doesn't function on the principle of wishful thinking of one of its species.
Logical Man Added Jan 14, 2019 - 5:49pm
Science doesn't claim to be infallible, is pretty much self-testing and anyone can look at the evidence put forward.
Religions claim infallibility and require a complete lack of critical thinking about their veracity.
Says a lot about theists, IMHO.
I'm an atheist but I only believe in one less god than a Christian, a Muslim or Jew.
It would be interesting to see a comprehensive list of all the gods humans have come up with.
 
“Man is certainly stark mad; he cannot make a worm, and yet he will be making gods by dozens.”
- Michel de Montaigne
 
Webmaster Added Jan 15, 2019 - 2:24am
Ryan Messano, some clever man who studied christianity attentively told that reading bible is like walking through a minefield. By the way I read it a little, so if you are a true christian then do what matthew's gospel tells you: leave alone your parents and follow your god probably to some remote monastery. But it is not all the right your god`s following as if you have some hope to get into the kingdom of heaven after death then you must spend the rest of your life in a cave, eat some cereals, pray all day long, not have a wife and children. It would be the only way for you to get in that kingdom otherwise you will do many sins and get to hell where devils will boil you in a cauldron. Besides the bible, there is also wikipedia, which claims that the inquisition had something in common with christianity.
Don in Odessa Added Jan 15, 2019 - 4:45am
@Stone-Eater
Science is closer than any religion? Perhaps. I will give you that. Are you aware that many scientists are switching sides now. Because of the astronomical odds against the shear number of nucleotides randomly coming together and organizing into the over 3.2 billion base pair DNA molecule Let alone that the thing is self replicating and  a self correcting language as well. Could all be an accident of nature that this star system is perfectly organized so that life as we know it can exist. That even the tiniest change in the earths relationship to the rest of the system would have prevented that life at all. So yes, I think some science actually does have it right.
Don in Odessa Added Jan 15, 2019 - 4:57am
@Logical Man
How logical is it for the chances the shear number of nucleotides randomly coming together and organizing into the over 3.2 billion base pair DNA molecule was accidental? Let alone that the thing is self a replicating and  self correcting base four language as well? Could it all be an accident of nature that this star system is perfectly organized so that life as we know it can exist. That even the tiniest change relatively speaking, in the earths relationship to the rest of the system would have prevented that life at all.

 
Are you aware that many scientists are switching sides now because for them, it takes a helluva a lot more faith to believe all this is just accidental good fortune for us oxygen breathers than the creation of a higher intelligence.

 
Logical Man Added Jan 15, 2019 - 7:04am
The question then becomes how did such a (more) complex entity come into existence? Was it created by an even more complex entity? ................................................
Don in Odessa Added Jan 15, 2019 - 7:11am
@Logical Man
Not my problem. Further, it does not conflict with with my response to you. Neither of us have proof of anything. It's all a matter of faith based on the knowledge we have.
Don in Odessa Added Jan 15, 2019 - 7:46am
@Logical Man
Your next question should be: Why then, did I choose Christianity? The answer is, it's the only religion wherein our Creator paid the price for the wrongs we do against other's and ourselves.
Logical Man Added Jan 15, 2019 - 8:28am
Science encourages us to seek more knowledge, religion, not so much.
There is some evidence that the universe exists, BTW, god, not so much.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 15, 2019 - 8:34am
Animals from a single cell to us is a not an accident. How we got that single cell is the mystery, but the rest or a part of the rest is statistics, survival of the fittest.  The coding in our genes and how hour minds work is a process in progress that started with that one cell.  Just like which product on the shelf sells the best in the winner in the market ans the popularity increases.  Google became the best search program and displaced most of the competition because of selection.  For animals the survivors created more children which meant it lived longer and healthier.  
 
Selection is an important reason.  We can find every one of our characteristics in other animals going farther back then we could expect.  But their are also step changes that have occurred and those can not be explained simply.  The best reason for what appears to be step changes in more then one animal at about the same time is theorized as the radiation for super novas near us but far enough to not over radiate the planet.   Radiation cause changes at the atom level.  These novas are also associated with extinctions also.  
 
The mystery of life is that these steps occur and we are the product of a step change.  The biggest mystery is not the radiation causing a change but when those individual change combine by the mating.   That we can call many things and God's hand is one of them.  The step change is added to the already existing coding.
Don in Odessa Added Jan 15, 2019 - 8:38am
@Logical Man
Even if that were true it would not counter what I have written. But it's not. Have you read the piece by Michael B Bagal? http://writerbeat.com/articles/28769-The-Value-of-Religion-The-Significance-of-God
 
Doug Plumb Added Jan 15, 2019 - 8:42am
re "Christianity is BY FAR the worst. Everything from the Crusades, to the Spanish Inquisition, to the rape and conquest of the New World, to slavery, to Manifest Destiny, and, and, and, and, can be directly attributed to cross-worshipping, hypocritical Christian assholes, extortionists, plunderers, thieves, and murderers."
 
First of all, you simply forgot the Bolshevik Revolution.
  The Crusades was a reaction to Muslims comming into Europe. Islam is a man worshipping religion, its adherents are worshippers of their leaders and Mohommed.
  Manifest Destiny is not Christian, Its Jewish. Christianity expects to convert you based on argument, not threats. Christianity spreads by itself and doesn't need guns.
  I want to know why you chose Christianity. Is it because you watch too much TV ?
 
Doug Plumb Added Jan 15, 2019 - 8:46am
Its strange how people hate the religion the most that has the smallest book of laws and bases itself exclusively on truth and reason and nothing else. Its not strange when you know that Christianity is the common law. Everyone wants the chip to be enslaved, raped, robbed and killed. The common law has to go.
Koshersalaami Added Jan 15, 2019 - 9:25am
There is an issue about the logic of religion that tends to be overlooked by atheists looking at religion. Religion can be logical if it produces a result that has value to its practitioners. Or perhaps a series of results. 
 
I happen to be liberal, no secret, as are most American Jews. Judaism has a track record of producing compassion-based political activists like I don’t’ think any other system has, including atheism. Whether or not values originated with any given religion, which is a question often asked but which I think gets too much attention, it can certainly be a vehicle for supporting, amplifying, and perpetuating values. We have mechanisms to do that that are proven in their aggregate to work. When you’ve evolved effective mechanisms over thousands of years for transmitting those values, why should we give them up because someone tells us that our faith is illogical because the basis of our faith can’t be proven? God doesn’t have to exist for religion to be logical. If belief in God produces a desirable result to the believer, that belief is intrinsically rational for that reason. 
 
Let me give you a non-political example (there are many): Dealing with death. I had a very bad loss seven years ago - by very bad I mean I lost a kid. When that happens, as you might imagine you basically walk into walls for a while. My religion gives me a series of rituals. I have something to do that I’m supposed to do and makes me feel like I’m doing something constructive, whether or not I am from a celestial standpoint, though I am from a healing standpoint. My religious community gave my family an enormous amount of support in the days after the death. People brought us meals for what had to be two weeks. 
 
I’m not saying that religion is the only way to transmit my values and I’m not saying that support can’t be practiced without religion. But the existence of an alternative doesn’t negate the value of religion. 
 
Now I’ll get a little more specific. You could say that pushing my faith on someone else isn’t justified. OK, I don’t; my religion doesn’t do that. You could say that emphasizing faith over the values you ostensibly value makes no sense. This may come as a surprise, but we don’t do that either: in Judaism, conduct is actually more important than faith is, and I don’t just mean in the liberal branches of Judaism, I mean in all Judaism. 
 
I’m speaking for my own religion of course because that’s the one I know best. I know that in Christianity it varies: in Catholicism, there are two pillars known as Faith and Works, and in some branches of Protestantism faith is way more important because Works went through a very corrupt period which Martin Luther rebelled against and, in doing so, demoted Works as a requirement. (He needed a sign on his desk that read “Faith without compassion is heresy” but he unfortunately didn’t have one.) 
 
I realize that this comment is to a certain extent outside the scope of this post and thread, for which I apologize. The post and thread are flippant but this comment is serious. I’m just not interested in who ostensibly fucks whom with what but this post doesn’t exist for my benefit, so that’s just me. 
Don in Odessa Added Jan 15, 2019 - 9:53am
@Koshersalaami
Very well said. I am a Christian Kosher. But you may be surprised to learn that as a Christian I pretty much agree with the finer points of how you practice your Faith. The biggest difference I see between us is my Faith allows for a God that created both good and evil to have paid the cost of our own exercise, of the type of evil that you and I both call sin. Yours requires you to make an offering for yourself. Most Jewish people I know, no longer practice that particular requirement though. Nevertheless, for the volume of sin that is in every man's heart on pretty much a constant basis, the task seems impossible. Except for symbolism of a future God given sacrifice in the Jewish Scriptures, without that holy sacrifice the practice just doesn't seem fair.
 
Having said that, I do understand that non Christian Jewish people do not believe the sacrifice of the Christ was truly that sacrifice as prophesied. They still await His coming. Perhaps I'm just a bit early...
Thank you all for your comments, however, nobody has even come close to making me re-examine my feelings toward the hallucinating psychopaths that push various forms of hocus-pocus fiction on the rest of the world.
Don in Odessa Added Jan 15, 2019 - 10:45am
@Michael B.
That's okay Michael. I learned long ago the "serenity prayer." In addition to that, my faith teaches me that my job, as a Christian, is to just speak about the basis for my faith. It's kind of like planting seeds. I have done so here. I don't necessarily have to be the one that waters, fertilizes and reaps the harvest. Perhaps someone else will come along in your life at just the right time and see the the end of the crop thru with you. Perhaps not. In the end, it will be up to you.
 
Tamara Wilhite Added Jan 15, 2019 - 10:45am
Religion isn't the problem. Ideologies that say we can use force to impose our world view are.
 
People are realistically afraid of fundamentalist Muslims because they kill people to scare the survivors into converting to Islam or obeying its cultural mandates. Fundamentalist Muslims kill atheists and critics of the faith in their own midst, including moderate Muslims. They are killing in the name of the ideology to strengthen and spread said ideology. That's why they do it.
 
Communism is an equally totalitarian system, seeking to control every aspect of people down to how they live and what they think. Those who don't obey were sent to death camps or just killed by the regime. Communism killed about 100 million people last century. Since the mass murders raged from China to Cambodia to Russia to Central America, the issue isn't race or culture - it is the political ideology that says you will join the collective or else.
 
Can't blame religion for the mass murders under communism. We can say it is a political ideology that says it is moral to use violence to impose itself on others.
Don in Odessa Added Jan 15, 2019 - 10:57am
@Michael B.
One last thing: Aside from religion, we are all like farmers.The seeds we sow are very often the harvest we reap.
@ Tamara - A reasoned and reasonable comment as usual.
@ Don - You're right about that. Although I obviously intensely dislike religions, I'm not the type who paints swastikas on synagogues, pours pig blood on mosques, blows up churches, or tie-dyes the robes of Buddhist monks in psychedelic patterns.
Don in Odessa Added Jan 15, 2019 - 11:31am
@Michael B.
Not new information for me Michael. I do understand the secular scientific view. That more and more scientist are taking a second look and coming to a different conclusion is all I said. Again neither position is proof of anything. As any of this relates to your article it does so only on the periphery.
 
But to key off what  Tamara Wilhite and others have mentioned, most of the evil and violence, you have objected too, while advanced in the name of religion, very often is more about the desires of men rather than the command of a deity. In a lot of what you have written, while perpetrated in the name of a deity, many were done because of a perceived invasion, evil or violence done to them. Were all justified? I am not enough of a historian to be the judge of that.
 
FacePalm Added Jan 15, 2019 - 12:05pm
Don-
The seeds we sow are very often the harvest we reap.  
 
Always, sooner or later.  i happen to believe that words are seeds, as well, hence the warning "Have a care how you speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."
 
Michael B.-
nobody has even come close to making me re-examine my feelings
 
No one should even try.  My religious practice does not rely upon compulsion, but upon persuasion.
 
Don't pay much, but look at the retirement plan!
 
Kosher-
Well said.
i learned of a joke awhile back which may be illustrative.  The rabbi who introduced the joke said that because of the various persecutions Jews have had to endure down the long centuries, many developed "different" coping mechanisms:
 
A Jewish man, wearing his yarmulke, was sitting at a bar, staring at his drink.
A biker gang came in, and one of 'em noticed him at the bar, walked up, shouldered him aside, and drank his drink.  "Thanks, Jew boy!  You wanna do something about it?"  he threatened.
To his surprise, the fella began to weep - deep, sobbing, pitable mourning.
"Hey!"  he said, "Knock it off!  Grow a pair!  Whatsamatta wit'chu anyway?"
"You don't understand," the man sobbed out, "This has been the worst day of my life!"
"Yeah?" asked the biker, "How so?"
"I was late to a meeting this morning, and the boss fired me; i gather my stuff from my desk and go to the elevator - it's out of service.  i begin to walk down 16 flights of stairs, and the box breaks; i gather everything up, make it to the parking lot - my car's been stolen!  i call my wife, she forgot to make the insurance payment.  i call a cab, and when i get home, i leave my wallet in the car.  i carry my box into the house, and find my wife boinking the postman!  My own dog BITES me!  So i come here, thinking of a way to end it all, and i'm sitting here watching the poison dissolve, and you steal my drink!"
Then he sighed, and said, "But enough about me; how's your day going?"
Stone-Eater Added Jan 15, 2019 - 12:18pm
Don
 
Because of the astronomical odds against the shear number of nucleotides randomly coming together and organizing into the over 3.2 billion base pair 
 
Problem is that you forget the time factor. Can you imagine what a time span 3 billion years are since the first signs of life appeared ?
 
That's 3'000'000'000 years versus 80 years of human life or about 100'000 years of Homo Sapiens Sapiens Stupidus.
 
 
Don in Odessa Added Jan 15, 2019 - 12:47pm
@FacePalm
What words have I spoken (written) that would cause you to give me such a warning?
 
 
Don in Odessa Added Jan 15, 2019 - 12:50pm
@Stone-Eater
Same answer I gave to Michael for the same statement: Not new information for me. I do understand the secular scientific view. That more and more scientist are taking a second look and coming to a different conclusion is all I said. Again neither position is proof of anything. But for me, the former does lend support for my own faith.
ChetDude Added Jan 15, 2019 - 4:25pm
I'd like to recommend "The New Human Rights Movement" by Peter Joseph.
 
Contrary to its title, the first 2/3 of the book are the best discussion in print that deals with the history and parameters of our systemic disease and cui bono.  It very effectively describes the pathology that is directly responsible for the most pernicious "religions" including Christianity, Judaism, Islam and Capitalism.
Logical Man Added Jan 15, 2019 - 5:49pm
Stone, not just time, but real estate too. There are more stars in the observable universe than there are grains of sand on every beach on earth.
 
Logical Man Added Jan 15, 2019 - 6:09pm
This seemed relevant......
 
The Persecuted
Logical Man Added Jan 15, 2019 - 6:59pm
Leave? Leave what/where?
Who the fuck are the 'We' you refer to?
You are rambling - still.
By the way, Ryan, religious fundamentalism has been linked to brain damage. In a recent study.......
damage to particular areas of the prefrontal cortex indirectly promotes religious fundamentalism by diminishing cognitive flexibility and openness.
More evidence that you were dropped on your head at an early age.
Logical Man Added Jan 15, 2019 - 7:14pm
I do?
You always use the Illogical thing, can't understand why you would think that appropriate, as you never try to point out holes in logic, you just continue with your holier-than-thou rants.
Yet more proof of mental impairment.
Logical Man Added Jan 15, 2019 - 7:21pm
Ramble on - and on - and on........
Not worth responding to, really.
More proof!
Jim Stoner Added Jan 15, 2019 - 7:25pm
The question then becomes how did such a (more) complex entity come into existence? Was it created by an even more complex entity? .
I like the way you put that.  I will stick with my agnosticism until its premise is disproven.   That is, we don't know how it started, and who/what is responsible (if any).  It is not impossible that there could be proof, one way or the other, but I'd bet it won't be in my lifetime.  Sorry, Pascal!
  
Jeff Michka Added Jan 15, 2019 - 8:38pm
We need a Muslim to try and "debate" Ryan on which religion is more violent, Xtainity or Islam.  Then the Moslem can ask Ryan about his early religious "upbringing," and when asked, Ryan will run away like the sniveling coward he really and obviously is.  He's ran away in a situation like this before.  He'll run away again.  Logicalman has probably gotten tired of WB's very own Geezus, Lyin Ryan.
Logical Man Added Jan 15, 2019 - 9:10pm
Oh, the Bible - filed under fiction.
Have you actually ever read the Bible?
Having read both OT and NT a couple of times, that's mostly why I'm an atheist. Superficially looked into other religions, but they once you know the smell of bullshit it's easy to to detect, so no point wasting time.
Religions (personal belief is different) are just methods of controlling large numbers of un/ill-informed people.
Whenever I see comments like 'I choose Christianity' I always wonder whether the person saying that actually looked at a bunch of alternatives and chose it or whether they've never considered any other possibility. Predominantly, in my experience, it's the latter. Hardly what you could term a rational choice.
Religion claims to be what gives us 'morals' while those at the top of the hierarchy are acting in incredibly immoral ways.
Religion is an incredibly flawed institution.
Time for humanity to move on.
 
Logical Man Added Jan 15, 2019 - 9:22pm
Atheists who murder are just as bad as theists who do, they are just more honest about it.
 
As for your comment to Jeff, are you suggesting that Saudi Arabia has the right approach to dissent?
 
Apologies, Jeff. Not trying to answer for you.
Jeff Michka Added Jan 15, 2019 - 9:32pm
Thanks for not doing so, LM.  Ryan is full of hate for muslims.  Part of his love of gawd and his selfworship as Geezus.  Ryan kept trying to tell me how my muslim relatives are plotting to kill us.  Lyin Ryan can't handle a debate with a Muslim.  He runs...  I'm supposed to get sooooo offended, I'll run away like Ryan the Xtain coward,  Why else does Ryan keep Vinny so happy.  Vinny will "have his back," since Vinny is usually lying on it for other purposes.  LOL
Koshersalaami Added Jan 16, 2019 - 12:55am
Tamara, excellent observation. 
 
Michael B.,
I don’t wish religion on you. I do not think you’ll find it some day, I don’t think it will ever make sense to you personally, and if anything I have more reason to dislike proselytizing than you do; nor do I believe that if there is a Heaven your atheism will keep you out of it. Do what you think is moral. If you don’t want to rely on a religion to keep you morally consistent, do it yourself. 
 
What I will talk to you about is judging religion, particularly generalizing about it. I think Tamara is right in that a lot of what is done in the name of religion is actually more about politics than actual religion. I belong to a religious movement (Reform Judaism) that functions counter to a lot of stereotypes about religion. Some of the characteristics of my movement apply to Judaism in general, some don’t or, if they do, they do to a lesser extent. We don’t go after people for the purpose of conversion. We don’t concentrate on an afterlife at all and, to the extent that we do pay attention to one, we do not believe you have to belong to our religion to get to Heaven - which is a big reason we don’t go after converts: we wouldn’t be saving you from anything. We believe that our ultimate mission is to repair the world, and the way the Reform movement conceives of that concept is via social justice. We believe that conduct is more important than faith. We believe that a critical way to safeguard human rights in America is to separate church and state. We believe that anyone oppressed deserves advocacy, and that it is in our own interest to oppose oppression on principle as well as being our moral obligation. 
 
Most atheists wouldn’t disagree with most of what’s on that list. And yet even though this is a religion, a branch of a religion larger than any other branch of that religion in America and a branch of the most ancient of the western world’s religions, I still hear/read critiques of “religion” that somehow don’t fit mine very well at all. And so I ask: Why am I being painted with this brush? “Religion is awful; I don’t mean you”? If someone knocks religion in general, they’re including me because I fit the category. 
———————————
Jeff asks an interesting question: Is Islam more violent than Christianity? Depends on what you mean. Speaking from the perspective of my people, meaning my ethnic/religious group, people in the name of Christianity have killed, way, way, way more of us than people have in the name of Islam, though the tables have turned recently, but that’s quite recent, and the numbers are still way in Christianity’s (dis)favor. 
 
But this illustrates a point, which is that what determines how violent the adherents to a religion are in the name of that religion is interpretation, meaning the lens through which Scripture is viewed is in some respects more critical than the Scripture itself. Scripture itself isn’t the answer; what is done in the name of Scripture at any given time is the answer.  To go back to Tamara’s point: It’s often not about religion at all but about politics masquerading as religion. Case in point: Demonization of homosexuality. That male homosexual congress is forbidden in the Bible, both Testaments, is true. That this prohibition is conspicuous or important in Scripture is not. Particularly in the Old Testament, homosexuality is pretty minor league, but it sure isn’t treated in the US like it’s minor league, it’s treated as if 3/4 of the Bible consisted of prohibitions on homosexual congress. Whatever made the issue important and central is political, not religious per se. 
 
Pope Francis gets this. When he came to the United States, he was accused of giving a private audience to a woman in Tennessee who refused to issue a state marriage license to gays once it became legal because it went against her religious convictions. Eventually, the Vatican released a statement saying this woman did not get a private audience and was in fact their at the behest of her Cardinal, not the Pope. As it stands, the Pope only granted one personal private audience in the Americas, to an old student of his who has remained his friend, and the student’s significant other (and maybe kids). His friend is gay. The Pope absolutely has indicated that he thinks homosexual congress should continue to be forbidden by religious law, but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t see his friend, even in an official capacity. It’s not like his friend was a murderer or something. Treating him as though he were a murderer would have been seriously inappropriate. There are a lot of American pastors who would disagree virulently but the truth is they don’t have Scripture to back them up because Scripture has so little to say on the matter, and one of the
FacePalm Added Jan 16, 2019 - 12:59am
Don-
What words have I spoken (written) that would cause you to give me such a warning?
 
None.  It was meant to be informational, not any kind of reproof...and not JUST to you.  It's pretty good info for ANYone to have, imo.
Koshersalaami Added Jan 16, 2019 - 1:11am
(Not everything printed on my last comment).....
main things people quote isn’t about that at all. As Tamara was saying, it isn’t about religion so much as politics. 
Kosher Salami, you seem like a reasonable person, so I'll deal with you in a reasonable manner. I agree, many things that seem to be wrapped in religion are actually based in politics; "The Troubles" in Northern Ireland are a good example of that. Although a few people noticed this shit-stirring rant for what it was, many did not, so the joke's on them...again. Do I eschew religion? Obviously, however, I don't care what other people do; someone can worship a homeless person's toenails for all I care. Personally, Bronze Age and Middle Age science ficton never have and never will do much for me. Personally, I think we're nothing more than some twisted alien experiment that is still in progress, lol.
Koshersalaami Added Jan 16, 2019 - 8:24am
Yeah, I should treat the post for what it is. 
Shalom then, lol.
KosherSalami, I had VERY kinky sex with a Rabbi's daughter on-and-off for several years, so don't think for a micro-second that I'm ignorant of Jews, Judaism, and Israel...I'm not the usual GOY, lol.
Stone-Eater Added Jan 16, 2019 - 11:23am
LM
 
Good comments. You deserve your nick IMHO. 
Koshersalaami Added Jan 16, 2019 - 12:02pm
I'm not assuming you are. It's salaami. The pun goes with the avatar. Jews don't do sex guilt except guilt for lack of sex. 
Doug Plumb Added Jan 17, 2019 - 6:44am
  Anyone that needs to censor alternative ideologies of their own has a faulty or illogical ideal. Good ideas can stand criticism, bad ones cannot. Christians don't censor or persecute others from different religions. 
  Judaism has very well funded organizations to perform censorship.
  Its always the truth that gets censored, not lies.
Koshersalaami Added Jan 17, 2019 - 2:31pm
“It’s always the truth that gets censored, not lies.”
 
Bullshit.
Salami, baloney, tripe, turkey...damn dude, you're a Jewish deli! LOOOOL!
Koshersalaami Added Jan 18, 2019 - 12:14am
No milchigs
Hmmm...I could look up what "milchigs" means, but as I really don't give a fuck, why bother? By the way, I'm ALL FOR the Iranian nuclear program, lol.
Koshersalaami Added Jan 18, 2019 - 9:52am
It’s Yiddish for dairy. If you keep kosher, which I actually don’t, you don’t mix dairy and meat. You gave me a meat list. It’s the alternative to fleyshig, which is meat. 
 
The Iranian nuclear program is a bigger risk for a nuclear war than the North Korean one is. Iran has been very clear about where they’d use nuclear weapons, including one of their generals referring to Israel as a “one bomb country,” meaning it takes one warhead to wipe them out given its tiny size - without any reciprocal threats emanating from Israel, which has no offensive reason to hurt Iran at all. Iran, through Hezbollah, has been responsible for Israeli deaths, so their threats are to be taken seriously - and they also have their own armed forces within about 50 miles of the Israeli border in Syria. Because of all that, if Iran gets close and Israel knows about it, God knows what they’ll do And if Iran were to use that one bomb, Israel has a nuclear triad. 
 
Nuclear weapons are, for most nations, doomsday weapons (aside from perhaps the US with Trump as President), but Israel is unlike most other countries in that it actually faces doom. Nothing else would cause them to even admit they have nukes but a realistic threat to their existence would almost certainly make them launch. 
 
No matter who threatens Iran, no one is talking about driving the Iranians out of Iran or killing all of them. Israel hears that crap from as close as Gaza.