Government Shutdown: Republican and Conservative Hated

Whom are we told are the major recipients of welfare and food stamp (SNAP)? Who are truly the major recipients of welfare and such?

 

Its all about optics, Watson.

 

Show hungry children of the nation's major recipients of welfare and see what happens to the government shutdown.  Supreme Court the highest court of the land?--BULL. See what happens when Black, White, Latino, Asians, and all welfare and food stamp recipients join force with angry and hungry majority White government workers.

 

Of course, ignorant leaders may want to go to the courts. But the court of public opinion once caused the Supreme Court to overturn itself. To the extreme, a stupid leader may want to declare a state of emergency to have the soldiers shoot down protesting Americans. Remember said leader wanted a military parade in America.

 

Ahh, it would not go there. The military's first bullet would be in support of the Constitution and our democratic ideals.  Of course, such would be a precursor to an uncivil war. In Jamaica, a prime minister called Donald Sangster mysteriously met his demise in a few months of his leadership, and he was a good man.

 

 

Comments

Ken Added Jan 11, 2019 - 11:53am
There are 5 million less people on Welfare at this point in Trump's presidency than there were at the beginning. 34% of citizens are on some form of government subsistence.  72% of illegals...
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 11, 2019 - 12:39pm
How many % of illegals work, pay taxes, and cannot enjoy any benefits?
Ryan Messano Added Jan 11, 2019 - 2:18pm
Rupert, blacks make up 12% of the population and 36% of the people on welfare, and 36% of all abortions.  So white liberals are murdering  you and keeping you in dependency and YOU STILL DEFEND THEM.
 
When are you going to put your big boy pants on and be a man?
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 11, 2019 - 3:11pm
@ Ryan. So, if I do the math, there will not be numerically more Whites on welfare than Blacks?
Ryan Messano Added Jan 11, 2019 - 4:26pm
Rupert, whites make up 63% of the nation, and 40% of welfare recipients.  There are 198,000,000 whites in America and 38,000,000 blacks.  You would expect more whites to be on welfare, due to the gross disparity in population size.
Ryan Messano Added Jan 11, 2019 - 4:27pm
If you focused on abortion, the black population would actually grow, rather than hovering around 13%, which it has been doing since the 1960's, thanks to your white Marxist liberals.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 11, 2019 - 4:56pm
Rupert, Pelosi tried to take the moral high ground with a pitiful reason and failed.  Pres. Trump did a much better job, "They don't build walls because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside."  He is including many Democrats and downers in the 'they.'   This is a clear universal reason why there are billions of walls or other forms of barriers around the world and many in America.  Pelosi's own vineyard is walled and fenced in because she love what is inside and it is hers.
 
PS Rupert Trump took the Moral High Ground so your title is bull. The dems can not hid the support for a barrier and more security and the threat of the cartels and aliens storming the border said in the past few decades and even an idiot knows nothing has really improve.  Pelosi has not even a finger hold on a moral position.
 
A barrier will force the cartels to concentrate there illegal activity to ports of entry which will make it easier to interrupt the infiltration.  Enforce E-verify, make it required, and provide stiff penalties,  That is in the power of Congress which will reduce over stay on visas.
 
Rupert it seem to me that Congress has a larger part in this shut down then Pres. Trump.  They can over ride his VETO with a super majority in both house and end the shut down Monday 1/14/2019 just by passing the bill he said he would veto that passed in the house.  McConnell has not supported the Pres. on many issues. 
 
Rupert the ball is on the Congress side of the field.  They have the power to get a touch down any time they want.  The food stamp and federal employees can be back on work on Tuesday and Congress can pass a back pay bill.  As I said Congress has the power.
Ken Added Jan 11, 2019 - 6:33pm
How many % of illegals work, pay taxes, and cannot enjoy any benefits?
0%
 
All illegals have been ruled allowed legal access to emergency health care, free public education.
 
Any illegal that pays taxes is actually committing a felony called identity theft.  an illegal cannot have a valid SSN.  If an illegal is working and not paying taxes then that illegal is committing a felony.  it is called Tax evasion.
 
But, as I noted, the majority of illegals are either not working or working so off the books they can still collect welfare and medicaid.
Jeff Michka Added Jan 11, 2019 - 7:14pm
Yeah, Kenny, if those "illegals" don't have money, they should be denied medical care and food.  You cryptofascists KNOW they are only coming here for free stuff, right, so if we let more of them die, take away their or cage their kids, tear gas them, they won't show up.  You missed out on the fascist "favorite" illegals fantasy, voting.  If we don't allow them in Ds won't get their votes, right?  Those millions of votes for Hillary Clinton were all "illegals," isn't that the fascist/Trumpist story?
John Minehan Added Jan 11, 2019 - 7:16pm
"The military's first bullet would be in support of the Constitution and our democratic ideals."
 
There is a story to the effect that Richard Nixon asked then-Army Chief of Staff, Creighton Abrams back in 1974 where the Army stood on Watergate.  Abrams replied, "With the Constitution, Mr. President."
 
With any luck, that has not changed. 
Ryan Messano Added Jan 11, 2019 - 7:35pm
If China paid Jeff to spread mayhem in America and to attack our Constitutional government, he could not do a better job.  Comrade Michka will be his new name.  Most Communists are filthy liars, and so is Jeff.
Ken Added Jan 11, 2019 - 8:25pm
You cryptofascists KNOW they are only coming here for free stuff, right,
 
74% on welfare pretty much speaks for itself
Ken Added Jan 11, 2019 - 8:26pm
take away their or cage their kids, tear gas them,

 
You understand that was Obama's policy, right?
John Minehan Added Jan 11, 2019 - 10:14pm
"You understand that was Obama's policy, right?"
 
And it clearly wasn't working.
 
However, the Trump Administration: 1) cut funding; and 2) increased the number of people taken into custody.
 
None of this has worked well in years. 
 
The things that come to my mind of things like having a better collection plan and a better terrain analysis of the border and maybe having ICE ALJs at lower courts to do some vetting, both of which are grossly insufficient solutions.  

 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 12, 2019 - 9:06am
@ Ryan.
 
"Rupert, whites make up 63% of the nation, and 40% of welfare recipients.  There are 198,000,000 whites in America and 38,000,000 blacks.  You would expect more whites to be on welfare, due to the gross disparity in population size."
 
Let me understand vodoo maths. The government is supplying fewer welfare benefits to Whites as a function of a percentage of the population. If the gov gave out 1000 benefits, does the percentage of people in the population resulted in 500 benefits being given out?
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 12, 2019 - 9:23am
@ Ryan."If you focused on abortion, the black population would actually grow, rather than hovering around 13%, which it has been doing since the 1960's, thanks to your white Marxist liberals."
 
With White America --liberal and all-preoccupation with culling the Black population, what is the significance of you outlining "white Marxist liberals" complicity in their decline?
 
 
 
 
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 12, 2019 - 10:23am
"Rupert, Pelosi tried to take the moral high ground with a pitiful reason and failed.  Pres. Trump did a much better job, "They don't build walls because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside."  He is including many Democrats and downers in the 'they.'   This is a clear universal reason why there are billions of walls or other forms of barriers around the world and many in America.  Pelosi's own vineyard is walled and fenced in because she love what is inside and it is hers.
 
Trump and Pelosi are in a Johnson flexing/measuring contest. The delusional Trump thinks his victory still gives him a mandate. Pelosi knows that her trouncing of the Republicans in the midterm elections is a clear mandate from the people. 
 
PS Rupert Trump took the Moral High Ground so your title is bull. The dems can not hid the support for a barrier and more security and the threat of the cartels and aliens storming the border said in the past few decades and even an idiot knows nothing has really improve.  Pelosi has not even a finger hold on a moral position.
 
Someone on WB said to dig a 50ft wide and 50 ft deep trench and place the dirt of the American side.  That trench would eventually be filled with water and marine life. The Mexicans would benefit from that.
 
A barrier will force the cartels to concentrate there illegal activity to ports of entry which will make it easier to interrupt the infiltration.  Enforce E-verify, make it required, and provide stiff penalties,  That is in the power of Congress which will reduce over stay on visas.
 
What if the American contacts for the cartels are wiped out?
 
Rupert it seem to me that Congress has a larger part in this shut down then Pres. Trump.  They can over ride his VETO with a super majority in both house and end the shut down Monday 1/14/2019 just by passing the bill he said he would veto that passed in the house.  McConnell has not supported the Pres. on many issues. 
 
Rupert the ball is on the Congress side of the field.  They have the power to get a touch down any time they want.  The food stamp and federal employees can be back on work on Tuesday and Congress can pass a back pay bill.  As I said Congress has the power."
 
One's position on this matter is based on his/her political persuasion and on whom s/he is supporting. The devil has his supporters. I do hope the poor, deprived of their food stamps, will come out and make a difference.
 
 
A curiosity, you love to cite various Drs., yet you address me by my first name, what bias are you exhibiting?
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 12, 2019 - 10:42am
@Ken.
 
"How many % of illegals work, pay taxes, and cannot enjoy any benefits?
0%
 
All illegals have been ruled allowed legal access to emergency health care, free public education.
 
So you are advancing that those illegal Irish, Jews, Russians, Poles, Italians, Swedes, Canadian, British, Romanians and similar phenotypes be denied healthcare in emergency rooms? Ponder lawmakers with such views allowing a fearful and illegal Easter European Typhoid Maries to avoid going to a hospital for treatment.
 
Any illegal that pays taxes is actually committing a felony called identity theft.  an illegal cannot have a valid SSN.  If an illegal is working and not paying taxes then that illegal is committing a felony.  it is called Tax evasion.
Have you ever talked to an illegal or had sex with one? Illegals were paying SS long before identity theft. In fact, Uncle Sam looked upon them favorably if they paid their income tax with those illegal SS. Illegal documents was a booming business.  Saying that a working illegal not paying taxes is committing tax evasion is similar to Ben Carson saying all illegals will have their citizenship revoked.  You both out of touch with reality
 
But, as I noted, the majority of illegals are either not working or working so off the books they can still collect welfare and medicaid."
 
Can illegals, really collect welfare and Medicaid or they so fearful they live in the shadows?
 
Obviously, you do not know the 'hood.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 12, 2019 - 10:47am
@Jeff. Thanks for pointing out the subtle and not so subtle bigotry.
 
 
@ John. "The military's first bullet would be in support of the Constitution and our democratic ideals."
 
There is a story to the effect that Richard Nixon asked then-Army Chief of Staff, Creighton Abrams back in 1974 where the Army stood on Watergate.  Abrams replied, "With the Constitution, Mr. President."
 
With any luck, that has not changed. "
 
 
Thanks on above. We cannot have a dunce dictator wannabe  hijacking this nation. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 12, 2019 - 1:41pm
Ruper your rebuttle Jan 12, 2019 - 10:23am to my post of Jan 11, 2019 - 4:56pm is the weakest one I can remember so I take that you basically agree.   
 
The Republican party didn't want to be in charge of both houses of congress and they proved it by not funding the house races and anywhere near the senate races.  They wanted the cover of the Democrats so they could serve the interest of the real constituents they are serving the GOP swamp that fills those campaign coffers and provide the kickback to make them wealthy.  The problem is that there are very few donor votes compared to the base of people that believe in individualism and the Declaration of Independent principles, what we today call Conservative but in the past before 1900 were LIBERALS. 
 
Trump is a John Kennedy Democrat that still believe in individualism and the Declaration of Independent principles and that some how a class society, Democratic Socialism, can co-exist.  The present direction of the Democratic party doesn't believe in co-existence.  
 
Trump didn't fight for the border wall when the Republicans held both houses of Congress because going against the donor class, Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell would have with the help of the Democrats impeach him and then convicted him in the Senate.  
 
They would have risked that the Tea Party would become a political party just as the 1854 Kansas-Nebraska Act created the Republican Party.  The Whig Party also served the donor class instead of their base.
 
So now Trump is facing his READ MY LIPS TEST.  Fail to build the wall means a one term president.  Romney sees the opportunity to be the 2020 GOP candidate, and the GOP will stay on the side line hoping the fight doesn't reach the Senate.  They hope the Democrats will destroy themselves and Trump.  
 
A compromise reaching the Senate floor, ( For example a wall  and an end to cartel provided slave labor  drugs etc. for amnesty and path to citizenship.) would make the GOP choose the donors or the base.  Choosing the donors ending the GOP, or  choosing the base dry up the swamp that also could end the GOP. 
 
Trump will be a two term president.
Marty Koval Added Jan 12, 2019 - 4:50pm
Dr. Rupert Green:
 
In your article, you made the comment that the military's first bullet would be in support of the Constitution and our democratic ideals. Keep in mind that America is a republic (not a democracy), which is a representative form of government that is ruled according to the constitution. The constitution or charter of rights protects certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by the government, even if it has been elected by a majority of voters. The point of the republic is, that the majority cannot take away certain inalienable rights.
 
Your concern for people of needs not being able to get their welfare and food stamp (SNAP) is legitimate. Congress could pass a separate spending bill in one day for these needs and have it on the President's desk tomorrow to be signed. The Democrats are using these people as pawns to get their way. The vast majority of people see the hidden agenda of the Democrats and are not fooled by this ruse. Also these people in need have other sources in the private sector to meets their short term food needs.
 
What needs to be talked about in this discussion is the number of crimes per day committed by illegal aliens. Based on Government Accountability Office numbers and the 90% figure for State Criminal Alien Assistance Program over four years, it is estimated that illegal aliens daily crimes are: 9 -Kidnappings, 15 -Murders, 43-Sex offenses, 71-Burglaries and 131-Assaults.
 
The 15 people daily who are murdered by illegal aliens do not get a second chance or option to be alive again. Their life was snuffed out by someone who did not belong in this country. The vast majority of people in America realize the Democrats are just as responsible for the murders of these 15 people per day as the murderer(s).
 
Last night on the Shawn Hannity show on FoxNews, he had eight families on who lost a family member that was murdered by an illegal alien. It was heartbreaking to hear them tell their stories and it could have been prevented.
 
Go to the following link to see how many people who have been murdered by illegal aliens over the years. https://www.hannity.com/media-room/the-true-cost-see-the-tragic-list-of-americans-killed-by-illegal-aliens-at-a-new-online-memorial/
 
Everyone needs to keep in mind, that they or one of their love ones can be the next victim of an illegal alien.
   
 
Tubularsock Added Jan 12, 2019 - 8:11pm
Dr. Green if you want poor people to get any kind of real help you have to change their name.
 
It is ALL optics ........... so true.
 
Poor people just need a new PR firm to handle their image.
 
First they have to form a corporation so as to get corporate welfare. There is plenty of that going around.
 
And getting into the war mongering business and triple contractual costs AFTER you sign and build a faulty product and still get paid is the way poor people will exceed their needs. Hell, it’s the backbone of American manufacturing.
 
So the poor’s problem in America is that they don’t think corporate and once they get on that gravy train they’ll even have the Supreme Court on their side and will be able to vote!
 
Cheers.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 12, 2019 - 8:49pm
@ Marty. "In your article, you made the comment that the military's first bullet would be in support of the Constitution and our democratic ideals. Keep in mind that America is a republic (not a democracy), which is a representative form of government that is ruled according to the constitution. The constitution or charter of rights protects certain inalienable rights that cannot be taken away by the government, even if it has been elected by a majority of voters. The point of the republic is, that the majority cannot take away certain inalienable rights."
 
 
You are correct regarding our type of government, which I have long known. yet despite others pointing out its construct to me, it appears I am enamored by the sound of Democratic Ideals. Indeed, those on the other side may object to my naming bias and would rather me use Republic[an] Ideals. I am also glad that the vigilance of the people and the press will prevent the rights you referenced-- minority from being taken away by a minority, including a branch of the government with a predilection for taking the government south.
 
"Your concern for people of needs not being able to get their welfare and food stamp (SNAP) is legitimate. Congress could pass a separate spending bill in one day for these needs and have it on the President's desk tomorrow to be signed. The Democrats are using these people as pawns to get their way. The vast majority of people see the hidden agenda of the Democrats and are not fooled by this ruse. Also these people in need have other sources in the private sector to meets their short term food needs" (Marty).
 
I believe you missed the point regarding my reason for writing. It was not so much my concern for the delivery of benefits, but to anger a group that is long placated by welfare--a group that will not take proactive action to improve our country as long as they have their welfare checks. So, a projected shut down could take fire from under their pots and put it under their asses through hunger derived from non-payment of their "benefits"
Though I am a registered Republican, I do not subscribe to strict adherence to ideology. Who is doing right for the people is whom I support.
 
Like you, I am concerned about denizens coming to engage in murder, mayhem, and rape in our country. Indeed, a border must be set in place to prevent them from coming here by air, sea, and land. The current focus on a wall to prevent Eastern Europeans from coming here gives the impression that they have a penchant for being terrorists, drug and human smugglers, rapists, and murders.
The focus should also be on stopping the Mexican/Latinx undesirables from crossing the borders on planes. I do not know if you are old enough to remember the comic character called Mandrake. He would enter planes in the air to take on bad guys. Perhaps a focus should not only be on a physical border wall but on the employ of mandrake to set up an air wall. Then and only then would it appear the wall in disputation is not a racist undertaking.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 12, 2019 - 8:59pm
@Tubu.
 "Dr. Green if you want poor people to get any kind of real help you have to change their name.
 
It is ALL optics ........... so true.
 
Poor people just need a new PR firm to handle their image.
 
First they have to form a corporation so as to get corporate welfare. There is plenty of that going around.
 
And getting into the war mongering business and triple contractual costs AFTER you sign and build a faulty product and still get paid is the way poor people will exceed their needs. Hell, it’s the backbone of American manufacturing.
 
So the poor’s problem in America is that they don’t think corporate and once they get on that gravy train they’ll even have the Supreme Court on their side and will be able to vote!
 
Cheers."
 
There is no addition needed to your preceding. There is something called corporate welfare that is not being called out. Arent farmers into the welfare thing towards devious ends?  Arent they "welfared up" to dump milk and to plant in a manner that artificially inflates food price?
Still, my point was to support the government in its shutdown to wake up hungry and placated welfare recipients to help put down a lame government.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 12, 2019 - 9:07pm
@ Thomas. "Ruper your rebuttle Jan 12, 2019 - 10:23am to my post of Jan 11, 2019 - 4:56pm is the weakest one I can remember so I take that you basically agree. "
 
You are becoming more perceptive and focused in your responses. Indeed, a precis can be as effective as a tome.  I do not agree as you reasoned. I am now studying your responses. A question though, you cite scholars and referenced then as Dr. this and Dr. that, yet you address me by my first name. What is the rationale for your approach?
 
The Owl Added Jan 12, 2019 - 10:59pm
Rupert, there are barriers to illegals entering this country by aircraft atxall landing fields.
 
Those coming via commercial flights are piped through a fairly structured Customs and Immigration process by somewhat trained staffs of enforcers.  Planes landing at private/small/non-commercial airfields are also subject to processing albeit less formalized by less adequately trained individual.
 
My wife and I touched down on a private field in Rogers Is and after a trip to Montreal.  We had gone to her MGill University Reunion and had spent a further two weeks following my father's entertainment routes during the years in the 1920s when he worked for a paper company as a chemist in Trois Riveted, Quebec.   He ranged from Montreal to Quebec and out into the Canadian countryside's on either side of the Street Lawrence.  Flight home was comfortable and enjoyable as we were flying with friends.
 
The customs agent quickly accepted our passports,  and moved on to our bags.  He went through ever bag, inspectingdutifully each gift or trinket we had with praise when warrentd.  Took about 3 hours for the for of us to clear.
 
The customs agent was cordial, even interest in the stories of the acquisitio, packing, and transporting.
 
About mid way into the process, the fella whose plane we were on asked me to look around an tell him what I saw.  I looked around and said nothing.  Peter then noted that we were likely his excitement for the week, and all was fine.
 
The moral of the story is that the guy that comes to a small field port-of-entry will likely take the arrival's world apart for the sample reason of boredom andca few hours company.
 
With the realization we all relaxed, beers were offered and taken, and a nice few hours were spent with a kindly Costo plms and Immigration official welcoming us all back home.
 
 
Mark, You'r statstcs are interesting.  Do you have a citation for them?
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 13, 2019 - 7:55am
Rupert, Do you match the number of publications and awards of Dr. Milton Friedman?  Are you a Dr. that is a professor at a university responsible for others becoming Doctors or getting university degrees?   And finally it is the content of what they write. 
 
I started out using Dr. Green.  But I after reading many of your articles did not see a significant reason to place you on a higher thinking level then those that were not doctors.  So by using Rupert I am just saying your at the level of the majority of authors including me.  That is the opinion of just another average author on WB.  Others have their own opinion.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 13, 2019 - 8:02am
Rupert my parents built a house in a neighborhood for those that put a lot of sweet equity into their homes.  Years later I found out that a home owner was a Doctor and Rice Medical Center and a department manager for his specialty.  I can not recall him ever using "DR." in that neighborhood.  He used his DR when it was appropriate.  Is WB at all related to your field?
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 13, 2019 - 8:35am
@ Thomas. "Rupert, Do you match the number of publications and awards of Dr. Milton Friedman?  Are you a Dr. that is a professor at a university responsible for others becoming Doctors or getting university degrees?   And finally it is the content of what they write.
 
Please inform me of one of my scholarly publications that you researched.
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 13, 2019 - 3:39pm
The discussion when I used Dr. Milton Friedman, Dr. Thomas Sowell, and Dr. Walter Williams was on economics  of which all three obtained their PHD in.  The two black Dr.'s also have concentrated some effort on the effects of economics specifically as it relates to Blacks.  All three have books and publications and articles with some reaching outside the academic community.  Friedman has a PBS mini series on the free market which resulted from a best seller book.  It is directly related to many economic and government discussions.
 
I see that from linked-in page your a Doctor of Education, "CEO at Institute for Hands-on Science, Engineering, & Technology" with 5 publications.   You will have to explain how your expertise are related to the  topics that are discussed on WB.  Clearly the present topic of this article is not, and I can no think of many that are related to the details of education and specifically in your area of concentration.  Just my observation.
 
I have about three dozen patents but they also have not value in the WB topics.  Please feel free to search my name on the patent office web site if you think I am lying.  The placks on the wall behind my photo are some of the abstract first pages.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 15, 2019 - 9:44am
@ Thomas.
 
"I see that from linked-in page your a Doctor of Education, "CEO at Institute for Hands-on Science, Engineering, & Technology" with 5 publications.   You will have to explain how your expertise are related to the  topics that are discussed on WB.  Clearly the present topic of this article is not, and I can no think of many that are related to the details of education and specifically in your area of concentration.  Just my observation.
 
I have about three dozen patents but they also have not value in the WB topics.  Please feel free to search my name on the patent office web site if you think I am lying.  The placks on the wall behind my photo are some of the abstract first pages"
 
Bull shit, there is no distinction in title between foot doctor and head doctor. You can have a million publication and no doctorate, you cannot be legally addressed as a Dr. I believe your action results from the fact I am not-Black.
 
 
Thomas Sutrina Added Jan 15, 2019 - 12:57pm
Rupert, that medical Doctor is not valuable when he was building his house in the sweet equity neighborhood, a plumber and electrician is valuable.  That is why he didn't use the Dr. title while interacting with the neighborhood.  
 
So you didn't answer the question of what value to the topics on WB does your Dr. knowledge has to do with the subjects.  My answer to that question for my knowledge as a professional is 'no value.'   I have learned how to think in the process and that I hope is appertain.  But that doesn't have a title to it.  So I do not use a title.
Dr. Rupert Green Added Jan 16, 2019 - 10:19am
Here is your answer.  I can advance scholarship by accepting or I can advance understanding by remaining at WB.