Where on the spectrum does the Tea Party fit?

We need to have a full discussion about exactly what is Republican, what is Conservative, what is the right and so on along with where exactly on the spectrum the Tea Party fits. Have to agree on definitions of those terms in order to analyze the issues as they fall among the groupings.

 

Cultural problems need to be answered through cultural action not by government fiat. Making substantive law to cover wide ranging issues follows the one size fits all mantra which we know to be false. The melting pot favored the adoption of American culture by mostly second generation immigrant families albeit often with the encouragement by the first generation. Many refused to use the old country language even at home so their children would grow up American. Many but certainly not all.

 

The left has indeed sold out to central planning and the administrative social-welfare state. Many of all persuasions consider that to be the norm, the way a modern state is governed. The are wrong. The national government has few powers, all enumerated and the control of immigration is one of them. The small government philosophy, held by the framers btw (as you know), limits government to those enumerated powers.

 

It seems more every day that the modern Right (abandoning Conservatism) has moved toward an activist agenda using the power of government to impose one of their own. That is the tactic of The Left which never shies away from imposing its will through power, law and courts by fiat. That the Right may be following suit only means that both the GOP and the Conservative Movement are passe as is the old patriotic Democrat party.

Comments

Ryan Messano Added Jun 14, 2018 - 1:48am
Without virtue, freedom and liberty are impossible.  
 
Virtue is objective.
Stone-Eater Added Jun 14, 2018 - 8:54am
Brrhah.
 
Can you get me a coffee ? I don't drink tea :-)
Dino Manalis Added Jun 14, 2018 - 7:17pm
 They're not monolithic, some are moderates, some are more conservative.  Some are very conservative on social issues, while others are more liberal.  
opher goodwin Added Jun 15, 2018 - 6:54am
Well from over here the Tea Party seems to fit just to the right of total nutcases.
Tamara Wilhite Added Jun 15, 2018 - 11:44pm
Instead of just left/right, use the 2 axis political square: liberal to conservative, authoritarian to libertarian.
 
Some classic liberals are liberal libertarian. Social justice warriors are liberal authoritarian, more akin to totalitarian communists than true liberals.
 
But classic liberals who share the same liberal ideology don't know how to check these extremists because the liberal bullies know how to play off the liberal tendency to go "whoever is the most hurt/upset is the most correct, give them what they want". That's how they can find themselves unable to rationally challenge someone who says your speech is akin to murdering me so we have to ban your speech or stand up to a liberal lynch mob saying your ideas are offensive, for the protection of our sacred ideology, we can threaten to beat and kill you.
 
Some conservatives are on the conservative authoritarian. The religious right has some members who fall into this category, as are classic fascists like Pinochet. There are few in the U.S. like this, though liberals tend to paint everyone on the right in this category.
 
Tea Party members are overwhelmingly conservative libertarian - small government, maximum personal freedom.
 
Ironically, the libertarian liberals and libertarian conservatives tend to get along well. Both are found in homeschool groups, food coops, small business. While they may disagree on ideal social structures and ideology, the live and let live aspect makes it possible to live side by side. I have my religious groups, you have your support group. OK, where's the community garden meeting this week?
 
The authoritarian liberals threaten everyone's freedom in the name of feelings and fairness, and right now, they have the power for systematic oppression. When classic liberals are terrified to say something the SJWs don't approve of, you know that's true.
 
While conservative authoritarians exist and most are siding with Trump because he's enacting many conservative policies, they're vastly outnumbered by Tea Party conservatives and the liberal libertarians, especially working class Democrats, that can't stand the extremist left.
Ward Tipton Added Jun 16, 2018 - 6:39am
To paraphrase, I did not leave the Republican party, the Republican party left me!
Ward Tipton Added Jun 16, 2018 - 6:46am
Tamara,
 
An interesting explanation of the position I had not seen before. When I am asked, I generally explain that historically, the farther left you go, the more government you have until you reach totalitarian control. The farther right you go, the less governance you have until you reach a stage of anarchy or natural order ... or in the case of large urban population centers, chaos ... though the twain should certainly not be confused ... despite the efforts of so many useful idiots these days incorrectly labeling themselves as anarchists while in reality, they practice chaos with the only possible end goal being communism ... but I digress. 
 
The problem is that most people (incorrectly) construe the entire left-right paradigm to be linear in nature, when in fact it is circular. The void left by the absence of authority, especially when such a large portion of the population wishes only to be led and ... at least insofar as the delusion goes, believe that everything in their own little corner of the world is okay until reality slaps them down ... that a leaderless society, despite pockets of historical anarchy where life continues unabated, will leave the door open for the most powerful totalitarian of leaders to come in and "bring peace" through superior force. Subsequently, totalitarian control often leads to open rebellion and revolution, leading to an equal state of chaos, wherein people yet again demand "strong leadership" to quell the chaos. 
 
Unfortunately, those of us who just want to be left alone will never be given such a freedom. 
Tamara Wilhite Added Jun 17, 2018 - 5:07pm
I agree that the bigger the state, the less free the individual.
Too many liberals worship the state as the source of all, from material support to morality, and seek to expand it because they don't think there should be a limit. Often out of misplaced compassion or irrational idealism, they think that we can expand the state to replace welfare on the incorrect assumption it can do better and far more than charities.
And we all lose to that, because you don't get enlightened administrators but petty bureaucrats and plenty of people who love to take your money and property "for the people" so they can buy support, votes or a larger fiefdom.
I'd say liberal libertarians wield government power to enforce what they think are rights. The homosexual and transgender "rights" used to say you're not allowed to disagree on pain of hate crimes penalties, risk of jail time, fines and shutting down of your business is one example. They think the state getting more power is better for them personally or their "morality". That they're suing old ladies personally as well as professionally for not wanting to make a gay wedding bouquet, threatening her with financial ruin, is seen as reasonable because it will scare everyone else into so-called tolerance. And that, too them, is the highest moral good.