The best thing that will never happen to Mexico

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Mexico is overrun with endemic corruption and most of the people live in poverty as a result.  I know it's unthinkable but the best thing that Mexico could do for it's people is join the United States as another state or two.

 

Doing so would quickly put an end to the corruption, and Mexico is rich with physical and locational resources that would provide wealth and employment opportunities for all the people who live there.

 

They have millions of acres of very desirable land that would quickly be built out into homes, hotels and businesses.  The construction industries would boom, and as people moved there all the support businesses would also boom.  Educations for the people living there would improve immediately, and industries would move there to take advantage of the better educated workers.  Healthcare would also improve quickly.

 

Oh but that won't ever happen, their corrupt government officials who live like royalty at the people's expense like it the way it is, and the people in Mexico don't have what it takes to throw them out.

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Autumn Cote Added Jun 13, 2018 - 11:11am
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Thomas Sutrina Added Jun 13, 2018 - 11:14am
I live in Illinois for all but a few years and I am over 60 so that is about 5 decades.  Corruption does not end with being a state.  Mexico is corrupt for the same reason Illinois is corrupt.  Government sells preferred treatment that it provided by complex laws or the use of enforcement.  In effect it creates a class structure of those that work for government, those that purchase preferred treatment, the middle class, and those that receive welfare preferred treatment.  
 
Obama, as have all past Democrat administrations and most Republican administrations have turned the federal government into a socialist state with the use of the above corruption that created the government class, funds the government class.  Under to heel of the federal boot is the Declaration of Independence principle of a class less society with all humans created equal.  Classes by definition are not equal.  Under the boot of Government are the laws of nature to be replaced by man's laws without being tested against the laws of nature.  We have seen in history what can happen when men are not constrained and make laws to favor themselves.  
 
I do not want Mexico to become a state until the people of Mexico have an understanding of our declaration that is ingrained into population.  
 
This is a nation of citizens not just people looking for a better life.  A citizens is, “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States at birth. “The evident meaning of these last words is, not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United
States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction, and owing them direct and immediate allegiance.”  Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/112/94/) (1884)
Stone-Eater Added Jun 13, 2018 - 11:24am
Thomas
 
Jurisdiction is made from the rich in favor of the rich, and that is the case everywhere. Some countries just have harsher methods than others, some haven't the same control mechanism as others. A Swiss or a US banker cheats and gets millions out of a virtual bet while the Mexican big dude dealer puts a bullet into his competitor's head.
 
The result is the same, the poor get fucked.
Stone-Eater Added Jun 13, 2018 - 11:36am
BTW:
 
The bigger a country gets the more difficult it is to control and govern it. If for example the US would split up in smaller state units) a state is a country .... somewhat) it would also be easier to realize a true democracy which would be more independent of lobbyists and interest groups.
 
Look at Europe. Smaller countries like Switzerland, Denmark, Iceland, the Netherlands or Austria for example have much less internal differences and are economically quite well off.
Dino Manalis Added Jun 13, 2018 - 11:52am
 Mexico needs greater U.S. assistance and investments, as well as legal assistance from Rudy Giuliani to stop corruption and improve law enforcement.  Improving Mexico would mean less emigration to America.
Dave Volek Added Jun 13, 2018 - 11:55am
Rusty
 
Not one of your better posts. It sort of implies there is not much corruption in the USA.
 
I would consider tax cuts as a form of corruption. I would consider enhancing welfare programs as a form of corruption. Both are designed to get votes, and making the USA a better place is not the main motivation.
 
Did you buy any stock in US steel industries? I bet a lot of other people did who knew about the tariffs before the media found out.
 
Louis E Weeks Added Jun 13, 2018 - 12:12pm
Even Hillary clinton admitted it was the corruption and policies of Mexico that drove much of illegal immigration, well before she flipped to the open borders side of things to get more votes, lol.
 
The problems in Mexico are based on corruptions similar to those originally put in place on America before we decided to rise up and fight off that corruption.  All of these Countries who are in bad shape have the exact same possible solutions America had, if they choose to not act that is on them, we can't hand them freedoms, they have to earn them.
 
 
Rusty Smith Added Jun 13, 2018 - 12:13pm
Thomas Sutrina I beg to disagree, I've been in Mexico and their corruption is horrific compared to anything I've seen in the US.  They expect their officials to skim money off the top and everyone sees them living lavish lifestyles that greatly exceed their official incomes and no one even blinks an eye.
 
Politicians and government officials in the US often try to do the same but never to the same degree and if their lifestyle and income are not aligned they are sure to be investigated very closely by officials who can't be bought off.
Rusty Smith Added Jun 13, 2018 - 12:15pm
Dino Manalis the US can't give Mexico assistance or even relief from disasters without most of the money being siphoned right off the top by corrupt government officials.  
 
If we give them a helping hand we just make the rich and powerful more rich and powerful, the poor still suffer and want to escape to the US where corruption doesn't prevent them from living better.
Rusty Smith Added Jun 13, 2018 - 12:23pm
Dave Volek I agree those in power often use our own US legal system to amass more power and wealth, but comparing that with the brutal corruption in Mexico is like comparing schoolyard bullies to the mafia.  
 
In the US business interests often invent laws that protect their business interests by making it difficult for competitors, and we do some of that just by adding mountains of regulatory requirements that big companies can easily afford to do but little companies can't.
 
In Mexico if you don't pay off the right people you don't do business, end of story.  You don't have a regulatory problem, you have no customers, you can't get permits, and your business interests won't be protected.  Even the police can't be trusted, most say they are forced to supplement their income with bribes.  
Dave Volek Added Jun 13, 2018 - 12:39pm
Rusty
I went to this corruption index: https://www.transparency.org/news/feature/corruption_perceptions_index_2017
 
Canada #8
USA #16
Mexico #135
 
Big difference indeed. I think it would be a big mistake to allow Mexico into the USA. That change in culture will take a long time, and probably not well taken if imposed by outsiders. Best to let Mexicans figure this out for themselves.
 
I would say that western democracy leads to corruption, even in Canada. I have another system in mind that should reduce corruption a lot, whether in Canada or Mexico. The elected officials are not beholden to the donors of their political party. The officials can be easily tossed aside if their integrity suffers. But no one is really interested in studying this new system.
 
 
Ric Wells Added Jun 13, 2018 - 12:44pm
So what you are saying Rusty is if one corrupt government joins forces with another corrupt government  then the corruption will cease.  I fell off my chair laughing at this logic. 
Rusty Smith Added Jun 13, 2018 - 12:55pm
Ric Wells not quite...
 
First, I think joining forces is hardly what I was talking about, if Mexico petitioned to become 2 states they would have small say in anything related to how our government operated, rather they would be absorbed into our government system.
 
Comparing the massive endemic corruption in Mexico to what exists in the US is laughable.  Where in the US do you see drug lords who murder thousands of people a year with the cooperation of local police on almost every level.  In the past we've had mobs that got away with lots of stuff but nothing that compares to how drug lords like Pablo did in Mexico.
 
There is a reason why we have a flood of Mexican citizens trying to get into the US any way they can, and it's not because we're as corrupt as Mexico, it's because we're not and that makes us much more attractive to Mexicans who don't currently benefit from corruption.  
 
Mexico is rich in natural resources, and land that could be making them a wealthy nation, if not for all the corruption that makes it impossible for their people to take advantage of it.  When they come to the US they may not get rich but at least they get to keep what they earn.
Luther Wu Added Jun 13, 2018 - 1:03pm
Rusty,
Much has been written about the previous administration's motives and methods involved in running guns to the Mexican cartels, during the "Fast and Furious" scandal, but regardless of that tomfoolery, it does tie- in with the only method by which the Mexican people can right their foundering ship of state. The Mexican populace must be armed. The implications are horrific, but there is no other way. The Mexican people must make their world into what they want it to become. They can not reach that goal until they remove those who stand in their way. Mexico's state of affairs offers no other recourse.
Bill Kamps Added Jun 13, 2018 - 1:22pm
Mexico, and much of Latin America have corruption because of their origins as Spanish colonies.   During colonial times government officials were poorly paid, and it was expected that their income would be augmented with taking of bribes for services.  It was not considered wrong or corrupt, any more than taking a customer to dinner is considered corrupt in the US.  This is not to say it was a good thing. 
 
While it may be a benefit for Mexico to become a state, it is unclear whether it benefits the US, for Mexico to become a state.  Yes they have a lot of natural resources that are poorly developed, but it is not clear the costs to the US of raising their standard of living.  Given our poor record with Puerto Rico, it is not clear we need another low income region to add to our states. 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jun 13, 2018 - 1:47pm
Distant Neighbors: A Portrait of the Mexicans Paperback – October 23, 1989 is an excellent book showing the structure of corruption in Mexico.
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jun 13, 2018 - 1:50pm
Rusty Smith
 
"There is a reason why we have a flood of Mexican citizens trying to get into the US any way they can, and it's not because we're as corrupt as Mexico, it's because we're not and that makes us much more attractive to Mexicans who don't currently benefit from corruption. "
 
But, many can benefit from the corruption when they get here. 
Thomas Sutrina Added Jun 13, 2018 - 3:39pm
Rusty I was saying that the the mechanisms of corruption are similar.  The level of corruption, the level of barriers between classes in the laws of the nation are not similar between Mexico and America.  Class is institutionalized in Mexico, as it is in most of the planet.  Socialist in America may want to institutionalize class so they can beef up the barriers that nations with a stronger institutionalization of class have.  But the election of Trump has shown that fly over country, outside big city influence are far from buying into a class society.
 
Rusty I do see a difference in what you an me would call corruption and nations like Mexico call barriers between classes.  When your from a lower class you have to pay for privileges not given to your class.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jun 13, 2018 - 9:35pm
Why only Mexico? I say just go all the way to the Columbian border and call it a day! Damn Right! Hey, I know, while you're at it tell soyboy to the north you're taking everything but Quebec! Nobody wants Quebec. 
 
Now that I think about it why stop at the Panama-Columbia border? Take all the countries on the Caribbean Sea. 
 
Boom. Job done. 
 
The hemisphere is saved!
Ric Wells Added Jun 13, 2018 - 9:43pm
Jeffry  love it. Ric 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jun 14, 2018 - 1:43pm
Much of South America is corrupt and has been for 5 centuries.
Rusty Smith Added Jun 15, 2018 - 11:24am
Jeffry Gilbert I think you need to re-read the forum statement, it does not suggest "taking" anything, it suggests every day Mexican citizens would be better off if were allowed to join the US as another state or two.  Thats a lot different from America conquering them.
 
Mexican citizens are fleeing their own country in droves and coming here of their own free will because they think it's so much better in the US than in Mexico.  You don't see that in the other direction.
Jeffry Gilbert Added Jun 15, 2018 - 11:28am
 it does not suggest "taking" anything
 
Relax Rusty I was in full on smartass mode that day. 
 
Flying Junior Added Jun 18, 2018 - 3:09am
The best thing that will ever happen to Mexico.
 
Call me crazy.  But after the hostile takeover of the U.S. government by the monster and his enabling Tea Party congress critters...
 
I'm willing to bet that less than 20% of Mexicans would even entertain the idea of joining the U.S.A.  It might have been as much as 25% a few years ago.  Mexicans love their country and their culture.  Becoming a part of the U.S. would be like opening a Taco Bell in Tijuana.
 
As much as I love my country, I would be surprised as hell if even one out of five Mexicans favored such an idea.  Most Mexicans would be satisfied with a solid return to the policies of previous administrations upon which might be built a progressive policy of mutual beneficence.
 
The U.S. can work to control rampant firearms manufacturing and smuggling which is in turn pouring gasoline on the fire of drug-fueled economic desperation and hegemony in South and Central America.  The violence and bloodshed is on us in so many ways.
 
Mexico can support the U.S. in its efforts to enact informed drug policy.
 
We might work together as partners.  But not with a small-minded xenophobe as president.