It's Time for Phonetic Spelling in English

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 It’z tīm fōr fōnetik speliŋ in Iŋgliš. Fōr histōrikil rēzunz, ɤ Iŋgliš laŋwidž haz develupt a speliŋ sistem ɤat ofen duz not folō ɤ prōnunsēāšun uv Iŋgliš wirdz. It’z tīm fōr a tšāndž fōr tū rēzunz.

 

First, lirniŋ hŵ tū spel tāks a lot uv tīm fōr nātiv Iŋgliš spēkirz. Wen Ī dū ɤ máƟ, Ī had spent abŵt 600 klasrūm ŵirz in grad skūil lirniŋ hŵ tū spel Iŋgliš wirdz. Mutš uv ɤat tīm kʊd hav bin spent on uɤir subdžekts.

 

Sekund, ɤ rest uv ɤ wirld iz lirniŋ Iŋgliš az a sekund laŋwidž. ɣā tū šʊd not hav tū spend ol ɤis tīm tū lirn hŵ tū spel Iŋgliš wirdz. ɣā džust wont tū kumyūnikāt ēfektivlē in an intirnašunul setiŋ. And ɤā want tū gān ɤis nolidž ēfišentlē.

 

Mī inspirāšun fōr fōnetik speliŋ kām frum wen Ī wuz studēiŋ ɤ Slōvak laŋwidž. ɣ ritin laŋwidž iz 99% fōnetik. Wun letir uv ɤ Slōvak alphabet represents a distinkt sŵnd in ɤ Slōvak laŋwidž. ɣer ar a fyū eksepšunz, but ɤēz ar ēzilē tot. Ī kʊd tētš most uv yū hŵ tū rēsīt a Slōvak tekst in a short tīm. Yū wil not undirstand wut ar sāiŋ, but most Slōvak lisinirz wʊd.

 

ɣer iz olredē a fōnetik speliŋ ɤat iz wīdlē yūzd. It iz nōin az ɤ Intirnasunul Fōnetik Alfabet (IPA) and iz yūzd bī liŋwists tū kumper verēus laŋwidžiz. It iz ofen yūzd in Iŋgliš laŋwidž trāniŋ, espešulē in Āžu. Ī wʊd not rekumend yūziŋ IPA az a fōnetik speliŋ bēkuz it iz tū teknikul for nātiv Iŋgliš spēkirz tū aksept: mōst Iŋgliš spēkirz rēlē dōn’t ker abŵt “dipƟoŋz”.

 

Difirent dikšunerēz hav develupt ɤer ōn fōnetik alfabets az a prōnunsēāšun gīd. But nun uv ɤēz gīdz hav atānd anē kīnd uv akseptens līk IPA. Sō mī fōnetik speliŋ iz džust wun of menē. Ī hav bōrōd gʊd fētširz frum IPA, ɤ dikšunerēz, and ɤ Slōvak laŋwidž. Plus, Ī hav added a fyū inōvāšunz uv mī ōn. If yū hav kum ɤis far intū ɤis dokyūment, yū mastird mōst uv mī alfabet.

 

Wun flo uv mī alfabet iz ɤat it iz bāsd on mī westirn/sentril Kunādēun dīulekt uv Iŋgliš. Raɤir ɤan insist mī alfabet iz ɤ ultimit solūšun, Ī sā ɤ wirld šʊd devulup its ōn standard: wun ɤat iz bāsd on ɤ nēdz uv ɤ yūzirz uv Iŋgliš, not ɤ prōfešunul liŋwists. I hōp mī alfabet iz a stepiŋ stōn tū sumƟiŋ betir.

 

Wen develupiŋ ɤis Iŋgliš speliŋ sistem, ol ɤ Iŋgliš-spēkiŋ kuntrēz šʊd stā awā frum ɤis prōses. ɣ kuntrēs uv ɤ Yūnītid Stāts and Yūnītid Kiŋdum wil trī tū impōz ɤer dīalekt uv Iŋgliš az ɤ wirld standird. Sō ēɤir ɤ prōses wil bē stold ōr ɤ fīnul alfabet wil not rēlīz its pōtenšul fōr rēdūsiŋ ɤ tīm and efirt tū lirn Iŋgliš.

Raɤir, ɤ kumitē tū krēāt ɤis nū speliŋ sistem šʊd kum frum kuntrēz wer Iŋgliš iz not ɤ first laŋwidž. Laŋwidž ekspirts ɤer wʊd hav a betir undirstandiŋ uv ɤ nēd tū māk Iŋgliš speliŋ ēzēir.

 

Wen ɤ nū alfabit iz krēātid, ɤ Iŋgliš-spēkiŋ kuntrēz probolē wōn’t līk it. But nō kuntrē šʊd bē fōrst tū yūz it. Ī suspekt, hŵevir, it wil bē kwiklē adopted bī ɤ non-Iŋgliš-spēkiŋ kuntrēz az ɤ standird speliŋ. Mōst nātiv Iŋgliš spēkirz intiraktiŋ wiƟ ɤēz intirnašunul Iŋgliš spēkirz wil lirn ɤis alfabit kwīt kwiklē.

 

Uɤir nātiv Iŋgliš spēkirz wil māk ɤ tšāndž on ɤer ōn vōlišun. Yuŋir pēpul wil bē mōr akseptiŋ ɤan ɤ ōldir pēpul. In tīm, ɤ nū speliŋ wil bē prefirabul tū ɤ ōld speliŋ, and skūilz wil fōrmulē tētš ɤ nū wā. ɣer wil bē wun dženirāšun uv Iŋgliš spēkirz wū wil bē fulē trānd in bōƟ sistemz. But ɤ ōld sistem wil ēventšūalē fād in popyūlir yūsadž.

 

Yūs uv ɤ nū speliŋ wil krēāt an intirnašunul dīalekt uv Iŋgliš. Fōr egzampil,  ɤ will bē nō  šwo (ə) az a sŵd in Iŋgliš: ol imprēsīs vŵilz wil bē given a prēsīs prōnunsīāšun. Sō ɤ nū dīalekt wōn’t bē Amerikan ōr Britiš. ɣ betir Iŋgliš tētširz wil bē spēkiŋ in ɤis nū dīalekt insted uv ɤer ōn dīalekt.

 

ɣ gōil uv fōnetik speliŋ rūilz is fōr lirnirz uv Iŋgliš tū atān betir intirnašunul kumyūnikāšun skilz in a mutš šōrtir tīm.

Comments

Dave Volek Added Jun 11, 2018 - 3:57pm
For those of you have a little time on your hands and like a little mental gymnastics, this article should be a little fun.
 
I would like to know how long it took for you to figure this alphabet out.
John Minehan Added Jun 11, 2018 - 6:15pm
Shaw thought so, but not much progress has been made . . . .
A. Jones Added Jun 11, 2018 - 6:20pm
Shaw thought so, but not much progress has been made
 
Making American English completely phonetic in spelling was a dream of Noah Webster (creator of the Webster Dictionary). It didn't gain much traction in his time, nor in ours.
 
Phonetic spelling is convenient for dummies and lazy people but not for anyone else. After all, what's the point?
Ryan Messano Added Jun 11, 2018 - 6:27pm
opher goodwin Added Jun 11, 2018 - 6:33pm
Makes a lot of sense to me Dave. I'm always amazed by how well you can read if you take out all the vowels.
I recently wrote a book without speech marks and it read just as well.
Luther Wu Added Jun 11, 2018 - 7:06pm
What?
Was this written by the guy who was that kid at camp who had an Esperanto merit badge?
Jeff Michka Added Jun 11, 2018 - 8:37pm
NO, "Luther,"  Dave isn't like you who just has a rightist merit badge, (One merit badge that has no merit)?  You appear to be another newer WBers that some here call hit and run rightists.  Write an article designed to piss people off, then tucking their rightist little tail between their legs and running away. 
Luther Wu Added Jun 11, 2018 - 10:31pm
"Jeff",
Not only did you not pick up on the mock seriousness and subtle humor of my comment, but you seem to be following me around the place and throwing a string of ad homs in my direction. Why is that?
Pardero Added Jun 12, 2018 - 7:10am
Dave Volek,
This was fun, and it didn't take long for that alphabet to sink in.
It seems a bit different than the IPA, but it is an old memory.
 
I imagine this was a bit of work, but I am curious if you have a program to convert a keyboard.
 
This makes a heck of a lot of sense, though I am fascinated by etymologies, and sometimes the spelling of a word, reminds of the word's history.
Dave Volek Added Jun 12, 2018 - 11:15am
Pardero
 
It's good to hear that you figured my phonetic spelling out easily. It's really not that difficult--and I suspect most English speakers would find it usable within a couple of hours--if they put in a reasonable effort. It might take a month to really master it, but the reward will come when English learners--both native speakers and second language learners--don't have to spend so much time learning how to spell.
 
Opher related an anecdote of his: leave out the vowels and the cnsnnts oftn spk th wrds by thmslvs. I find this to be true if there is enough context.
 
I've had this piece in my mind for at least five years. So I knew what I wanted.
 
I figure this piece took me about six hours to prepare. Much of that time was spent copying-and-pasting all the non-standard letters into the text. There was no converted keyboard. I could have set up macros, but that setting up would have taken time. Maybe if I decide to write more like this, I will set up the macros--and learn a new way of keyboarding.
 
I heard that President Truman often wrote phonetically. His staff had to learn his ways.
 
The most surprising thing about this little project is how so few words are not spelled phonetically at all. I used to think that our spelling was 80% phonetic, but now I'm not so sure its that high.
 
Thanks for taking part!
 
 
 
Luther Wu Added Jun 12, 2018 - 11:32am
Dave,
Thanks for putting all of that effort into your interesting article. We were taught "Phonics" as children just learning to read, (1950s,) but it was a different system than that which you have displayed and was dropped from the curricula at some point.
The commentary following your piece has been interesting, as well, particularly the anecdotes about human perception and the ability to discern words without consonants.
 
Ps I'm sure you understand that my first post to you was a leg puller.
 
Dave Volek Added Jun 12, 2018 - 11:46am
Luther
 
No, I did not understand the "leg puller". I decided to wait for a few more articles/comments before passing any judgement. I did not like your first article, but waited for a day to figure out what I was going to say. I have just commented.
 
I remember getting into a big argument with my 4th grade teacher: "How many syllables in 'school'?".
 
"Two" I said, "Sku + il"
 
That was my first life exposure to not being politically correct. I had to capitulate to the system. I am so amazed that even IPA won't recognize the two syllables with long vowels followed by the 'L'. Yet IPA bends over backwards to display dipthongs (two vowels meshed together)--and does so in a way to confuse native English speakers. The masses of native English speakers will never accept IPA for that reason.
 
For some strange reason, Chinese English learners like IPA. It's almost they enjoyed learning a third language to learn a second language.
 
 
 
 
Luther Wu Added Jun 12, 2018 - 12:25pm
Dave, That first post to you revolved around a personal anecdote about a kid in summer camp that had an Esperanto badge and...
guess it doesn't fly for those without that personal experience.
 
Perhaps Chinese English learners like IPA because it has interesting and artful characters, more like their native Chinese.
English characters might be better compared with the Asian characters of Korean Hangul, which is equally as devoid of flourish as English.
My rich Uncle (Sam) paid for my sojourn to Korea, where I taught myself to read and write Korean Hangul.  Those skills have endeared me with the waitresses at all the Korean restaurants around town, not that it would lead to anything, since they are all young and pretty and I'm not.
 
in re my first article (posted by Autumn as means of recruitment;)
you are just as free as me, to like and dislike what you want. I don't like the article, myself. after reading it; it's far too verbose.  As to content, any are free to disprove my assertions.
 
수고하세요
 
Dave Volek Added Jun 12, 2018 - 1:06pm
Luther
 
I believe Autumn's original goal for WB was for aspiring writers to help each other out with their work. For example, I made my comments on your first article. You are free use them however you want to help make you a better writer. But eventually I just stop reading articles from "writers" who cannot find focus. 
 
For some reason, WB has morphed more into a political forum than a help forum. And  I would say that it still works out rather well. There is a good balance of the political spectrum here (no echo chamber). I can find people here to challenge my perspectives in an intellectual way. The quasi-trolls and trolls can be ignored. Autumn has created something unique.
 
Autumn has recruited more than a few academic types to WB. Some of them have posted some excellent articles on world affairs. However, they don't try to relate with even the more intellectual non-academics on WB. They don't stick around, which to me is a sign of failure for the academic world. 
 
 
 
 
Luther Wu Added Jun 12, 2018 - 1:59pm
Dave,
Your first paragraph delineates exactly what I was hoping to find here, when Autumn recruited me, yesterday.
While telling her that I'm no writer, I didn't add that such a goal has been manifesting, at least in form of desire to improve those skill sets. It's likely obvious to all, that there are miles for me to travel, down that road. It's been almost a half century since Freshman Comp 101 and a book of style needs bookmarked and used.
 
The political stuff might prove to be icing on the cake. Boys just wanna have fun. Your comment on academics rings true.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jun 12, 2018 - 2:29pm
Dave, I can read this, but I must admit that it is a bit tiresome. I learnt the English sounds with a very similar alphabet. So I recognized a lot of these letters. But there are a number of systems for the details apparently. I know that I can't prove it, but my pronunciation is not bad. You know that all Germans claim that. The difference is that they are wrong.
Dave Volek Added Jun 12, 2018 - 3:38pm
Benjamen
It sounds like you had some exposure to IPA.
With practice, this system will be quite readable.
 
Luther
If you are looking for a right-wing think tank that doesn't like Democrats, WB is the wrong place.
 
Start your essay with a thesis statement like: "I am writing this essay because I want to show ______________". When the sentence is complete, cross out the "I am writing this essay because I want to show".
 
All details in the essay should somehow relate to the essay statement. If any detail does not relate, throw it out. Or use it for another essay.
 
Keep the focus.
 
 
 
Neil Lock Added Jun 12, 2018 - 4:55pm
Dave: As long as we understand each other in sound, it really doesn't matter how we spell it. And as long as we understand others' spelling, it doesn't matter much how we pronounce it. Phonetic spelling is like Esperanto; great in theory, but useless in practice.
Luther Wu Added Jun 12, 2018 - 5:27pm
Dave,
What I am looking for is what I am looking for. That will be revealed, in time, to any who pay attention and aren't so presumptuous as to blind themselves, telling me what my purpose and thinking are, or should be. Maybe I'll figure it out, if I pay attention.
What should that matter to others?
No one can accurately measure another, looking as we do, through the cloudiness of our own bubble of perception and understanding.
 
As for me, what you see is what you get.
 
Ps I had great fun tossing out "Lock her up" (etc.)
Like the old man sez- "ain't a rib out there that don't need tickled."
Dave Volek Added Jun 12, 2018 - 5:29pm
Neil
I don't know if you tried to read the message. But I made my points quite clearly.
 
I estimate that I spent 600 classroom hours in elementary school trying to learn how to spell. With a phonetic alphabet, that would have been drastically reduced, probably to 100 hours. That's a lot of time that could have gone to other subjects.
 
Spanish, Slovak, and Ukrainian are mostly phonetic. These learners don't have to spend hours and hours learning arcane spelling rules and memorizing exceptions.
 
Let's multiply 500 hours by every learner of the English language. That's a lot of time that could use elsewhere.
 
Pardero managed to read my document. It's really not that difficult.
 
 
Jeff Michka Added Jun 12, 2018 - 6:29pm
After reading that "following you around," I think you are just another hit and run rightist.  Why are you important enough to follow you around?  Cured cancer?  Came up with a new set of plans for the Saturn 5 rocket?  You give yourself too much credit.  I f you don't want anyone calling you on your comments, don't comment.  Stay home.  That way you won't get either read or followed so won't have to worry.  And no, you comment anywhere, your words are fair game, so I won't just fall silent when confronted with your words.  Oh, I know, I'm supposed to be put off.  I think you can figure out you should go______yourself, and do it today, if silencing me is your intent. 
Jeff Jackson Added Jun 12, 2018 - 7:26pm
Time for your history lesson. Teddy Roosevelt tried it. If the president can't get it done, you might as well forget it. There are too many English profs out there that delight in the idiosyncrasies of this goofy Germanic-based language. English is a language that mugs you and steals your grammar.
Mustafa Kemal Added Jun 12, 2018 - 10:45pm
Dave, I enjoyed reading for some time. It was a bit of work, but I figured it out pretty quick. I dont think it would take long for it to be second nature. There were few doozies in there though, like
 
kumper for "compare" 
I had to double take on that.
 
As for Neils comment
 "Phonetic spelling is like Esperanto; great in theory, but useless in practice."
 
IMO, for English maybe, but both Persian and Turkish are phonetic.
It is SOOO nice. Please God, give me a phonetic regular language. I am a simple man.
 
I can see how the Slōvak laŋwidž must have motivated this.
I like very much this  ŋ
 
Mustafa
Stone-Eater Added Jun 13, 2018 - 4:37am
Dave
 
You wouldn't believe it - but I understood the article LOL
 
....aber ich hätte keine Ahnung, wie ich sowas in Deutsch zusammenkriegen könnte. Hut ab. Chapeau, my friend.
Stone-Eater Added Jun 13, 2018 - 4:44am
BTW:
 
Ī wʊd not rekumend yūziŋ IPA az a fōnetik speliŋ bēkuz it iz tū teknikul for nātiv Iŋgliš spēkirz tū aksept
 
Ah that's the reason why I understand it ? How the hell did you get those letters on the keyboard ? ASCII typing in times of Windows ? Well......?!?
Luther Wu Added Jun 13, 2018 - 5:21am
Dave,
I'd spoken earlier about the Korean alphabet, but neglected to mention that Hangul is a phonetic alphabet, comprised of 40 characters, each with a unique pronunciation.
Some linguistic sounds are missing (usually of foreign origin.) Hangul has no long I (Ī) sound, so they combined the syllables for ah (say ah) and long E (ē). That bit of knowledge came as a revelatory moment in my understanding of the language, as I read a Hangul sign on the wall of a cafe, which was simply an ad for "ice cream", a foreign word(s) incorporated into Korean.
 
Visitors to Korea soon learn that some foreign phonetic sounds remain missing in action. Although many foreign syllables have been incorporated into Hangul, that feat was achieved by having existing characters serve double duty as the foreign letter. That works for the written but the spoken phonetic lack causes no end of confusion and mirth. For instance, Korean has no L, or R sound.
 
As anecdote, my Korean friends quickly gave up on pronouncing my name and some wag just called me by the name of a close- sounding and well known Korean landmark. The name stuck.  From then on, everybody knew me by the name of that landmark, which became a "feature, not a bug", as pinning a recognizable and pronounceable name to me helped add to the number of my friends and acquaintances.
 
I'm hoping that the recent inroads into welcoming North Korea back into the family of man will acquaint even more Americans and Koreans with each other. I have to confess, that after spending a little over a year immersing myself in the South Korean culture, that when I returned home to the US, I was a little bit homesick for Korea and Koreans.
What bright future awaits us!?
Kurt Bresler Added Jun 13, 2018 - 7:23am
Very interesting Dave,   6 hours, was it worth it to you?  I picked it up quickly and my memory increased as I went along.  Like Mustafa, I was hung on some and spent most of my time reading the entire sentence to get extra hints.  I would probably rate myself a "B".  And since I have an obsessive tendency it was difficult to quit in the middle.   I personally love the English language, I enjoy all the nooks and crannies it has. All the plays on words one can use. The poetry, etc etc.   Going through your article was like cracking a safe!   
 
Kurt Bresler Added Jun 13, 2018 - 7:26am
Luther Wu>> As I was reading through all of the comments,  I couldn't help but think your extra long comments were like hijacking Dave's thread.
Dave Volek Added Jun 13, 2018 - 9:23am
Kurt
Luther should not feel bad. I sometimes hijack other people's threads (I have a book to promote).
 
Luther
I'm rather pessimistic that Mr. Trump can bring North Korea into the "family of man". Even so, it will be a long haul as millions of North Koreans have been psychologically damaged. I don't see Mr. Trump as able to fix that. 
 
Stone
I got all the characters from Microsoft Word. You go:
1) Insert on the main menu bar
2) Symbols
3) Then scroll through the various options. You even get the Arabic and Crylicc alphabets.
 
My biggest fear that after all that work, Autumn's software wouldn't take these characters. Looking back, I should have done a smaller piece just to make sure. 
 
 
Stone-Eater Added Jun 13, 2018 - 10:26am
Dave
 
It's ok - and thanks. It was surely worth it. Never seen anything comparable - not even talking of the time you put up for it. Fun !
Luther Wu Added Jun 13, 2018 - 11:07am
Kurt,
I'll take your critique under advisement.
Thanks.
Dave Volek Added Jun 13, 2018 - 11:28am
Mustafa
 
In my life, I have started to study five second languages. Slovak, Ukrainian, and Spanish were 99% phonetic. Czech and French had lots of exceptions. French was much worse than English for phonetic spelling; in fact, the Normans introduced a lot of the bad spelling into English.
 
Unfortunately, I have a basic knowledge of Slovak that can kind of get me around the country. No in-depth conversations though.
 
 
Jeff
I take it you didn't even try to handle the phonetic alphabet. There I explained Americans, Brits, Canadians, Australians, and wherever else English is spoken as a first language will nothing to do the development of this phonetic alphabet. Your English profs would have nothing to contribute to this process and would be powerless to stop it.   The driving force will be a Russian business person and a Japanese business person conducting trade--and looking for a better way to enhance their written communications. Neither business person wants to spend hours and hours and hours learning the arcane rules of English spelling. The Russians and Japanese will be using this alphabet long before the Americans will. Given USA's history of implementation of the metric system, the world will be far ahead of the USA in this new English alphabet. I think Canadians will adopt soon after the Russians and Japanese. Good for Canadian business! 
 
And if you read the comments in this thread, these WB contributors seemed to have figured it out. It's not that hard.
 
Stone
I've had this article bouncing in my head for at least five years. So when I got to it, it didn't take that long.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Thomas Sutrina Added Jun 13, 2018 - 11:33am
I use to listen to books on tape during my two hours of commuting for about a decade.  One book was on the English language.  It is a mix of languages of the people that invaded the island.  And with the protection of water those invaders that came in waves incorporated parts of their language into English.  Thus the hope of spelling matching sounds is just that a hope. 
 
I now live in a town with a French name but talk to a native that is my age and they phonically pronounce the french spelled town name while other newer or children of those same people use a more french pronunciation.   This is the reason you are just presenting your hope.
Dave Volek Added Jun 13, 2018 - 11:38am
Thomas
Don't worry, Americans will have no influence on the standard spelling. If the rest of the world adopts this standard, America can continue to use the current system if it wants.
 
 
Stone-Eater Added Jun 13, 2018 - 11:43am
Dave
 
Gotta install Word then. I think I have some old cracked copy of Office 2007 somewhere. I'll check.
Dave Volek Added Jun 13, 2018 - 11:49am
Stone
From my recollection, the earlier versions of Word did not have as many characters as they do now. But I guess you could try.
 
Office 365 allows for a year-long license of all MS office programs at a reasonable price. And the programs are up-to-date. But that might be hard to activate in Africa.
 
 
rycK the JFK Democrat Added Jun 13, 2018 - 1:44pm
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Stone-Eater Added Jun 13, 2018 - 1:56pm
Dave
 
No-one in Africa has the money to either pay Windows (after all version 10 is free as long as you don't try to personalize it too much) or any other software. I guess 95% use cracked versions of no matter which software (Acrobat needs a bit more effort to keep it going LOL).
 
In Cameroon there are shops which burn your favorite music on CD for a piece of bread LOL
 
We are using Linux (Zorin or Mint that is) on clients and have Ubuntu 14.04 as data servers. And with Wine you can get an older MS Office working on Linux no problem. And we try to introduce Open or Libre Office instead of MS Office. That does the job too. What Linux still lacks are programs like Photoshop or document converters which really work. But you can get a portable photoshop version and install that on a desktop no problem. No asking for license ;-)
Stone-Eater Added Jun 13, 2018 - 1:59pm
BTW: Office 365 is too much cloud for my taste. I avoid any kind of cloud as good as possible. Never use it for documents or business interna. For photos and such ok, but the rest....no.
Stone-Eater Added Jun 13, 2018 - 2:01pm
BTW2: Who needs the cloud when one can buy a 2TB external harddisk as additional home backup or storage ? Costs US$ 40 here in Switzerland.....
Dave Volek Added Jun 13, 2018 - 2:07pm
Stone
 
In my younger days, I considered taking an oilfield position in west Africa. Then my supervisor sat me down with the reality of living and working WA. 
 
I liked my oilfield tools, but we always had spare parts and machine shop and machinist to make things work. In WA, you were the machinist without any machining equipment and often had to improvise. Plus the bribes to move a tool from the shop to the dock, from the dock to the boat, from the boat to the offshore drilling rig. Then all the way back again. Then my supervisor told me of how a customer stole a $100,000 tool (got lost from the drilling rig to shop). He had to badger that customer for a year to get it back.
 
I was not emotionally ready for that challenge. Probably still not.
 
 
 
Stone-Eater Added Jun 13, 2018 - 2:22pm
Dave
 
I understand. I guess I wouldn't have gone to Africa if I had thought about it too much. I was always a person who didn't think much about the future. I just thought "Hey ho, let's go" (c) The Ramones ;-) Because I knew that from one minute to the other life can end no matter what and where you are.
 
It is and was always a life in "insecurity", as most Swiss people would call it (we are educated in a sense that life has to be planned well ahead...), but to me, that's what made and makes life interesting.
 
A fulls stop or a knowledge of "here I am and I will end my days here" would kill me.
Stone-Eater Added Jun 13, 2018 - 2:27pm
BTW: I know many people which are rooted in their society and culture, even a town, and are happy with that. You see, I 1990 I was one of the first in Switzerland to have a so-called BBS (Bulleting Board System), a communicating system on Modem before Internet was established.
 
And I called it "Hobo's Shack". In some ways I am a hobo. And I like it LOL
Thomas Sutrina Added Jun 13, 2018 - 3:42pm
Dave V. I am not worried.  I do not see English turning into a phonic spelled language soon since more people from nations that have other primary languages are adding words to English.  And they are adding them with no reference to phonic spelling.
Benjamin Goldstein Added Jun 13, 2018 - 4:02pm
Somehow English is phonetic enough. I noticed when my English improved, my spelling became worse. If you are not a native speaker there is no actual reason to accidentally write 'there' for 'their' because you are supposed to go by meaning not by sound in your head. If you pay attention on my spellies everywhere on WB, you will see a lot of phonetically driven mistakes. Weird.
Dave Volek Added Jun 13, 2018 - 4:10pm
Benjamin
English is phonetic enough to give the spelling some credibility.
 
But as a societal perspective, is it better to have elementary school kids spend 600 classroom hours on spelling or 100 hours. Languages that almost all phonetic lean on towards 100 hours. Their kids can invest the time somewhere else (probably learning English).
 
 
Dave Volek Added Jun 13, 2018 - 4:53pm
Thomas
 
English may have borrowed words in the past from other languages. But there is no evidence of significant immigration of foreign words for the past century. I doubt you can name 10 common words come into English this way. Modern English has not really changed that much since Shakespeare.
 
It will be the Russian and Japanese business people that will decide enough is enough with the arcane English spelling. They can't pronounce properly from the spelling; they cannot spell based the pronunciation.
 
Americans have no interest. They will be shut out of this process altogether.
 
Notice all those who tried my article managed to get through it without much problem.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ward Tipton Added Jun 19, 2018 - 12:07am
We merely call it 1337 ... though not all of us believe cursive script to be entirely "old school" either. Mind you, 1337 or "Leet" (as a derivative of Elite) "shudnt b cnfused w txtng"

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