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I know it's been awhile but I thought I'd pop in, do a quick article and come back later when I have time to do a longer one.

 

I've seen on the internet some wishing by White Nationalists like ol' Billy for a desire to split the country and the world into "White Only" zones, called "Balkanization."  I think I got that right.  In any case, I guess this is supposed to solve all the world's problems and everyone will live in harmony with one another, like God intended.

 

It's a load of crap.

 

See, the problem is that all white people are not the same. Billy (and others) only think in terms of people that think exactly like them.  Our different worldviews are not the same.  

 

For one thing, we all have different religious views.  White people are Christians, Jews, Muslims (yes, that is a thing), agnostics, atheists and everything in between.  There are many different sects of Christianity, not all of are compatible with each other, the same with Jews and Muslims.

 

We are also liberal, conservative, centrists and apolitical.  Those include just as many different divisions as religious views.  This can be regional, clashes between the North and South are legendary but you also have differences in how people think on the East and West coast.

 

The thing is what Billy and the others want already existed.  Europe during the Dark and Middle Ages were exclusively white.  Those Europeans warred amongst themselves, the same during early Modern Europe when nations states emerged and began building overseas empires.  Those empires fought amongst themselves on a global basis, we mislabel World War One and Two as if they were the only "world wars."  This is incorrect.  The War of the Spanish Succession (1701-1715), The War of the Quadruple Alliance (1717-1720), The War of the Austrian Succession (1740-1748), The Seven Years War (1756-1763), The American Revolutionary War (1775-1783, yes, this one started on a local basis but quickly spread, drawing in multiple players and was fought in places as diverse as India and Africa), The French Revolutionary Wars (1792-1802), followed by the Napoleonic Wars (1803-1815).  

 

Let's not forget the various religious wars conducted amongst themselves before all the above.

 

Now, yes, other countries and empires also fought wars but these remained local or regional.  Only Europeans took their conflicts out of their own backyard.  

 

Even the alleged Nazi Utopia Hitler built had its own internal problems.  Why else build concentration camps?

 

So, too many differences to play well together.  Yes, I know it's the same for other ethnic groups, for allegedly social animals humans really don't get along with each other.

 

I guess Billy's solution would be to hang or shoot those that disagree with the program, the problem is that people object to that kind of thing and fight back.  

 

See, in the end, for me it's simply a human problem.  I thought at one time we were getting better.  I thought we were moving closer to a time when skin color, religion, gender or sexual orientation didn't matter, that we were figuring out what it meant to be humans.  Recent events have shown me otherwise.

Comments

Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 13, 2017 - 1:07pm
Only Europeans took their conflicts out of their own backyard. 
 
And since Americans are basically White ex-Europeans (yet) the tradition carries on. New country, but no learn ;-)
 
....but don't forget. We Whites were the only ones who had the CAPACITY to do that. If not, other races would have done the same thing......they're no different in the end.
Ric Wells Added Sep 13, 2017 - 1:37pm
Hypothetical situations. Let's say balkanization is a possibility. Logistically how is the govt going to enforce mass migrations to everyone's designated sector. Also how are the resources going to be utilized to run four sectors when an era of noncooperation would surely set in. Would a police state be necessary.a military coup. Balkanization would surely lead to the economic collapse of the nation and send major rippling effects around the globe. These are just a couple of examples why balkanization is a ridiculous option.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Sep 13, 2017 - 1:54pm
@Stone Eater Friedli:
 
"And since Americans are basically White ex-Europeans (yet) the tradition carries on. New country, but no learn ;-)"
 
Yup.  The wheel goes round and round...

"....but don't forget. We Whites were the only ones who had the CAPACITY to do that. If not, other races would have done the same thing......they're no different in the end."
 
Actually the Chinese had the same capabilities regarding shipbuilding.  They simply became isolationist.  For the most part the Chinese matched European weapon technologies in the 14th and 15th century, same with the Mogul Empire in India.  There was no impetus to improve those technologies, unlike the Europeans who fought a lot amongst themselves the Chinese and Moguls were content with what they had.  Unfortunately this bit them later.
 
Don't get me wrong, SEF.  I'm not saying that Europeans are more warlike in general, I'm saying that a completely homogeneous society is impossible.  There are always differences that separate us, regardless of color.  We need to grow up as a species or it will get to the point it will no longer matter.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Sep 13, 2017 - 2:17pm
@Ric Wells:
 
I agree with your assessment.
Autumn Cote Added Sep 13, 2017 - 2:35pm
Please note, it's against the rules to submit articles to Writer Beat unless you comment on the work of others.  As always, many thanks for your participation with Writer Beat!
Jeffrey Kelly Added Sep 13, 2017 - 2:47pm
But, I do comment on others......it's just been a bit.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 13, 2017 - 3:43pm
Dannl
 
I will. But at the moment I'm busy killing my guitar :-)
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 13, 2017 - 3:45pm
http://siliconafrica.com/the-scarcity-mentality/
 
Quite interesting - and logical !
Jeffrey Kelly Added Sep 13, 2017 - 4:30pm
Very interesting, SEF.  I agree with that also.  People in harsher climates have to act in that fashion.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Sep 13, 2017 - 4:31pm
@Dannl Yoder:
 
Sorry, it's a weakness.
Jenifer Frost Added Sep 13, 2017 - 5:05pm
Billy's idea also apparently ignores the "problem" presented by mixed race people. I guess he would just have them shot or hanged as well? Ridiculous utopian fantasy, like most doomed by reality to failure. 
John Minehan Added Sep 13, 2017 - 5:24pm
"Logistically how is the govt going to enforce mass migrations to everyone's designated sector." 
 
Well, something like this happened in 1995 in Bosnia.  Someone else (NATO and ,particularly, the USA) had a conference in Dayton, OH, where ground truth on the ground in Bosnia was confirmed BUT those driven from their property were compensated.
 
It is less "enforcing" and more "confirming" the results and "compensating" the victims, if something like this were to happen. 
 
With any luck, this will not happen.   
Ric Wells Added Sep 13, 2017 - 5:29pm
Bosnia much smaller in are and population. Cost restrictive.
Jeff Michka Added Sep 13, 2017 - 5:47pm
SEFa notes: I will. But at the moment I'm busy killing my guitar :-) -At a point, give it a good funeral, or sell it to the next person wanting to make it big in the music biz.  The latter is a bit exciting if you keep track of the buyer and listen to them "grow."
Donna Added Sep 13, 2017 - 6:17pm
Jeffrey Good one.. About time you posted an article.. You have good thoughts..      Autumn he does comment. I read them on many articles. Think maybe he has been busy away from site. Honest article.. No possible way to make this a white only Country. Maybe they could pool cash buy an island do as they please with only white people that meet Their expectations. I prefer my diverse culture. 
John Minehan Added Sep 13, 2017 - 6:27pm
"Bosnia much smaller in are and population. Cost restrictive."
 
Hopefully we don't find out . . . . 
Jeffrey Kelly Added Sep 13, 2017 - 6:33pm
Thank you, Donna.
Ric Wells Added Sep 13, 2017 - 6:57pm
John Agreed.
Jeff Michka Added Sep 13, 2017 - 10:01pm
Ric Wells sez: Balkanization would surely lead to the economic collapse of the nation and send major rippling effects around the globe. These are just a couple of examples why balkanization is a ridiculous option- Not for Billy the Nazi!! He just wants the chance to kill people in wheelchairs.  If he can just swing that, all else like economic survival of a break away area mean nothing, just like it was in the glorious Third Reich. -And Donna notes: Maybe they could pool cash buy an island do as they please with only white people that meet Their expectations. I prefer my diverse culture. - I've suggested a portion of a break away and melting part of an ice shelf.  They'll all shout "Death to penguins!" and make it so, given the racial inferiority of penguins.  *Ahem*
Jeff Michka Added Sep 13, 2017 - 10:05pm
"I'm screaming because I'm white and it's Xmas, just like the ones so long ago..."
Billy Roper Added Sep 13, 2017 - 10:28pm
Recent events are red-pilling a LOT more people than just you, Jeffrey. What cannot fly must fall. It's inevitable, and it's coming.
 
Jenifer, We don't want the whole continent or even the whole U.S., even though the Founders specifically designed this nation of, by, and for Whites. When America balkanizes, there will be a Black ethnostate and a Hispanic ethnostate and plenty of room for mullatos, too, in racially diverse areas. It's very racist of those who hate diversity, like Jeffrey, to act as if other races cannot self-govern, or shouldn't have the opportunity to be in control of their own destinies as peoples.
Billy Roper Added Sep 13, 2017 - 10:29pm
From the target="_blank" rel="noopener">Los Angeles Times
“America’s school-age population is more diverse than ever before, reflecting the demographic shift rapidly taking place in our country. America’s schools, however, are more segregated than they have been for decades.”
Despite the overall population of the United States becoming more “diverse”, which means more nonWhite, something which we are told is a wonderful thing to celebrate, because being divided and different makes us stronger and the people who founded the United States of America specifically of, by, and for their own people becoming a minority in it is obviously what the nation was created to be all about, the country’s schools are becoming more segregated, meaning that those increasingly diverse peoples are choosing to move to sort themselves out. They are voluntarily seceding with their feet and self-balkanizing into racially homogeneous regions.
As that blessed diversity increases in a city, the city segregates more and more into racial and ethnic neighborhoods. When the city as a whole is sufficiently diversified, i.e., made less White, the Whites move out of the city to the suburbs. When nonWhites pursue them into the suburbs, White flight bleeds out into rural areas to escape the brown tide. As that becomes no longer enough of an escape from squalor and crime, Whites leave the state and region, to go to New America. Here is how that breaks down:
Whites are moving out of the deep south as blacks move into it from the north and simultaneously outbreed them. They are moving to the upper south, to Tennessee and Arkansas. Whites are moving out of the southwest and California as Latino immigrants, legal and illegal, take over there, as well, and are moving to the West and Northwest. The effect of this internal migration, target="_blank" rel="noopener">as I discussed in my book ‘The Balk’, is the separation of America out into at least three distinct ethnostates, with some areas still being contested, and others irredeemably mixed.
Look around you, and you will see it happening. Have you decided which future you want to be a part of, yet, or are you waiting for someone to choose, for you?
Flying Junior Added Sep 14, 2017 - 2:09am
I think Billy's idea could work in a slightly modified way.
 
How about a nice, walled-in ghetto to house the white supremacists?  There is little diversity within their ranks.  I'm fairly certain that not many of them are contributing to our society in any tangible way.  They are too concerned with their militias and marches to really take the time to achieve anything of value.  We could drop in food by helicopter.  Water and oil by pipeline.  We could help them with basic sanitation and medical care.  Only problem would be, nobody would want it in their state.
Billy Roper Added Sep 14, 2017 - 8:49am
Right, because you obviously hate the White Nationalist principles and ideals upon which the United States was founded. And, White founded nations are so unattractive that millions of nonWhites from all over the third world are desperate to come to them.
A Classicist Writes Added Sep 14, 2017 - 8:50am
This is a very sobering indictment ont the human condition; and as I read your words, I was aware that I -- and countless others -- am aware of this.  I needed to be reminded...
wsucram15 Added Sep 14, 2017 - 9:22am
As much as it pains me to say this..you are dismissing a person on this site who can give you some insight into a counterculture in society that has been around a very long time and at one point dictated, by sheer volume of membership, actual Federal legislation. 
 
I dont think there is a person on this page more repulsed by White Nationalists or Supremacists..than my self and Roper knows it.  But its like getting an infection, putting on a some antibiotic creme and thinking it will go away.  It never does.   Its not just cultural, its systematic.
 
We have made some headway since the early days of the KKK.  Its membership is no longer 4% of the US population.  It is a small sector..somewhere between 4-8,000.  But there are almost 1,000 groups that are online and the ones meeting in person have gone up about 20%. SPLC 
Here is  map..of the known hate groups in your state as of now...https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map 
 
You might not understand Roper, but he is not a stupid man. This is his history.  It is part of our history...you cannot erase this and you MUST NOT dismiss it. 
wsucram15 Added Sep 14, 2017 - 9:25am
Roper..
Do you have any stats on your statement about the move already occurring?  Such as California or Texas?
Jeffrey Kelly Added Sep 14, 2017 - 9:39am
@Billy Roper:
"Recent events are red-pilling a LOT more people than just you, Jeffrey. What cannot fly must fall. It's inevitable, and it's coming."
 
I've always been annoyed with the term "red pill," it simply reminds me how much I disliked the Matrix.
 
"Whites are moving out of the deep south as blacks move into it from the north and simultaneously outbreed them. They are moving to the upper south, to Tennessee and Arkansas. Whites are moving out of the southwest and California as Latino immigrants, legal and illegal, take over there, as well, and are moving to the West and Northwest."
 
What you talk about has been going on for decades.  
Jeffrey Kelly Added Sep 14, 2017 - 10:02am
@wsucram15
"I dont think there is a person on this page more repulsed by White Nationalists or Supremacists..than my self and Roper knows it."
 
That makes two of us.
 
"But its like getting an infection, putting on a some antibiotic creme and thinking it will go away. It never does. Its not just cultural, its systematic."
 
I agree....to a point.
 
The reality is Billy and others like him have been around forever.  The "movement," I use that word to encompass all the White Nationalists I've looked at over the years, seems to wax and wane depending on the time.  It seems like it is back on the rise again, certainly the election of Trump made them (and other odd balls like them) come out of the shadows.  Usually it's in response to societal ebbs and flows.  In this case, the election of a black president made this bubble back up.
 
The problem is for these groups is a microcosm of what I've laid out above.  There are a lot of them and if they ever combined forces they could be a real political force (if that's what they wanted) but there are so many competing interests among these groups it makes them hard to combine forces.  I don't know how many people Billy has in his band of morons but I'd say tops a few hundred and probably focused close to where he lives.  Yes, being on-line helps but you still need to be close enough to meet and have rallies.  Also, in order to unite you'd have to agree on the program and actually get a leader for it and I doubt all these little fuehrer wannabes would be willing to agree to that.
 
Most of what I see shows me that whenever these groups show up in public they are generally outnumbered by counter protesters.  For example, the counter protesters outnumbered the Unite the Right protesters by a two-to-one margin at Charlottesville.
 
So, yes, I am concerned.  But, I think these groups will have a hard time uniting behind a single cause and picking a single leader.  It doesn't mean they couldn't do a lot of harm on an individual basis.
Jeffrey Kelly Added Sep 14, 2017 - 10:12am
@Jenifer Frost:
"Billy's idea also apparently ignores the "problem" presented by mixed race people. I guess he would just have them shot or hanged as well? Ridiculous utopian fantasy, like most doomed by reality to failure."
 
Yes, Jenifer, I think he would.  Or at least sterilize them so they wouldn't breed.
 
Nazi Germany did this to the so-called "Rhineland Bastards," I wrote about them here:
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=28319
 
But this is it in a nutshell:
"Now, when I see this I always remind deniers about the "Rhineland bastards," the offspring of German women and French African colonial soldiers stationed in the Rhineland after World War One. The vast majority of these children came from consensual relationships and marriages. There were also children from former German African colonies that wound up in the Rhineland when the former colonists left Africa after World War One. The Nazi regime sterilized them in the 1930's under the Commission Number 3, about 400 wound up sterilized. Odd that an allegedly "non-racist" society would sterilize half African children.....
 
http://www.dreamdeferred.org.uk/2014/04/the-holocausts-forgotten-victims-the-rhineland-bastards/
 
 
Billy Roper Added Sep 14, 2017 - 1:16pm
Jeanne, thanks once again for helping my book sales by claiming that I was in Charlottesville.
 
Speaking of which, I list specifically the voluntary migrations occurring as America self-balkanizes in 'The Balk'. My research is based on Census data and mainstream sources. Whites are moving out of the deep south as it becomes new Afrika, to the upper South, and out of California and southern Texas as it becomes Aztlan. Would you like another link to my book?
Billy Roper Added Sep 14, 2017 - 1:20pm
What nonWhite-patronizing liberals like Jeffrey are too gutless to admit is that White Nationalists don't want to have nonWhites as slaves, or as second class citizens, in our ethnostate. In fact, we're willing to divide up and share the continent with them. Of course, he's the kind of wimp who would never be found expressing his views in person. According to recent polls, 4% of Americans identify with White Nationalism openly. That's about 13 million people, and a larger percentage than wanted independence from Great Britain in 1770.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 14, 2017 - 1:46pm
The problem is that people have their own culture "chipped in", wherever they came from originally, they took their culture, grown in hundreds of years, with them, and are, consciously or not, educated in that way. They have their own "language" and customs at home which are not visible on the street where they all wear the same brand clothes and stare at the same phone.
 
When I stroll around Dakar or Douala, I see the young people and they appear to be all the same. But then, I get to know a Bamiléké and a Bassa closer, and I realize what huge differences there are in terms of thinking and acting.
 
Then I look closer. In Cameroon you have one (artificially created) nation. But you have regions where about 5 main tribes and their 150 or so cousins live. South: Bassa and Batanga. Grassland: Bamiléké and Beti. North: Haussa and Fulani.
 
Of course they mix, but there is a kind of existing federalism, or, people having their own "state" and their sense of identity of belonging - just THERE.
 
The US could go a similar way. Give the different cultures their own space without separating them. This will enforce a feeling of identity and belonging which they probably don't have now.
 
Just an idea from the outside. And this is not ghettoing or discrimination. Quite the opposite. It would diminish racism.
 
After all, the US and Cameroon are no different in one respect: Both are an artificial "nation".
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 14, 2017 - 1:53pm
BTW: The Bamiléké have their own kingdom and chiefs within Cameroon. And their people listen to them. Ask them about their prez Paul Biya ? They laugh and say: This guy was set up by you Europeans. We just shrug our shoulders and do our own thing.
Jeff Michka Added Sep 14, 2017 - 3:23pm
Jeffrey Kelly writes: I've always been annoyed with the term "red pill," it simply reminds me how much I disliked the Matrix.-Yup all this "red pill garbage," not to mention those on WB believing "The Matrix" is true.
Jeff Michka Added Sep 14, 2017 - 3:25pm
Billy the Nazi sez: According to recent polls, 4% of Americans identify with White Nationalism openly.-Confirming, once again hoe PT Barnum was right.  There are suckers born every minute.  You prove it, Billy.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 14, 2017 - 4:24pm
Jeff
 
Did you read my comment ? I ask because I always said that I'm not into Billy's radicalizaion, but there are points to consider. It's not enough to simply label. Because the recipe is not to concentrate on where people differ but where they could agree. Consensus. Some might say that's weakness, others call it diplomacy.
Jeff Michka Added Sep 14, 2017 - 6:04pm
SEFa sez: It's not enough to simply label. What am I suppose to agree with Billy the Nazi on, SEFa?  That "good white people" deserve their own little homeland in America because of their "identity?" I realize you have no use for the US, and that's fine, but I have no use for traitors like Billy the friggin' NAZI.  And "out of africa" solutions just don't apply here.  Now if you want to find out how "similar" you are to Billy, I'' ask you:  Do you feel we should kill people in wheelchairs because "they use too many resources," like Billy has advocated?  Seems a simple answer, either Yes or No.  There really aren't any "shades of gray" on this one, SEFa.
Ric Wells Added Sep 14, 2017 - 6:43pm
SET wake up please. Billy has no worthwhile points to consider. He masks himself in discussion and half veiled and twisted propaganda. His end game is genocide of all that are not white with the same belief system as he and his gang believe in. And it's by any means necessary. PERIOD.
Jeff Michka Added Sep 14, 2017 - 7:35pm
I'm willing to bet one thing you might center on SEFa is how "good white people" have all this pride in being what and what their ancestors did as "good white people", for example "Jeffry pond scum Gilbert", master of the cargo ship "Bilgewater" out of Gofuckyouself, Mass has a proud family.  Only half of his cargo of slaves from West Africa died before reaching Savannah. GA...and they're soooo proud of him!!  A real white hero who made 'Murrica.  Oh, I KNOW THAT WAS "PAST" AND IT DOESN'T MATTER NOW, SAVE HIS GREAT, GREAT, GREAT Grandson wants to do it all over again, except there are no ships for him to Master...THE US DOESN'T HAVE A FUNCTIONAL MERCHANT MARINE ANY LONGER, SO FEAR NOT.  But he'd make a great pard for Billy the Nazi and his little bund.

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