REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST: 19/11 to 9/11

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And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he does judge and make war.

Revelation 19/11

 

In 1981, I was receiving Spiritual impulses to hitch hike from Ottawa to Whitehorse in the Yukon to draw attention, symbolically, to the rider on that white horse. This was an ambitious 5000 mile round trip journey. Newspapers across CanaDa, including The Whitehorse Star chronicled this Mission of Faith.

 

1981 saw two other major events affecting power and politics. The revelation of these two events were part of the impulse that moved me to undertake such a long voyage in Faith.

 

March 30, 1981:
President Ronald Wilson Reagan is shot in the chest outside the C1426-24Washington Hilton Hotel. The president’s press secretary, James Brady, is also severely wounded, and Timothy McCarthy, a Secret Service agent, and Thomas Delahanty, a local police officer, are also shot. The assailant, John W. Hinckley, Jr., is seized at the scene. Confusion arises when Secretary of State Alexander Haig announces on television the he is “in control” while Vice President George Bush is flying back to Washington.

 

May 13, 1981:
Pope-John-paul-II-shotPope John Paul II is shot and seriously wounded as he rides in an open car through St. Peter’s Square in Vatican City. Two women tourists from the U.S. are also injured by bullets during the attack. The gunman is captured and identified as a 23-year-old Turkish terrorist.

 

And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

And deceives them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, (gun) and did live.

Revelation 13

 

Both the Pope and the President survived the wound by the sword (gun) and did live.

WHITEHORSE STAR

 

Fast forward twenty years to 2001 and like everyone else in the world, I was shocked to witness the event of 9/11. It brought back the memory of the mission 20 years earlier. The only thing I said to everybody I came in contact with on 9/11 was, “The world as we knew it ended Today.”

 

On September 13, 1976, The Kansas City Times recorded my visit to the city and The Republican National Convention in the 1st of two reports where I identified the US as being the latter day Biblical Babylon.  ‘From the Revolutionary Spirit of ’76 to the Revolutionary Spirit of ’11. Circumstantially and Spiritually, in my view, what happened on 9/11 is described in chapter 18 of the Book of Revelation.

And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and HATEFUL bird.

For ALL NATIONS have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth (The 1%, Presidents, Prime Ministers, CEOs,  and other IDOLS of the People) have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues.

For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities.

Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she has filled fill to her double.

How much she has glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she says in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judges her.

CALGARY HERALD July 18, 1981

 

And the kings of the earth, (1%, Presidents, Prime Ministers, CEOS and other Idols of the People) who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, (the smoke of her burning was not put out until April 2002)

Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is your judgment come. (It took 1 hour for the World Trade Towers [merchants] to come down)

And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buys their merchandise any more: The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,
And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. (the economy)

The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

For in ONE HOUR so great riches is come to nought. And every ship master, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

AND IN HER WAS FOUND THE BLOOD OF PROPHETS, AND OF SAINTS, and of ALL THAT WERE SLAIN UPON THE EARTH.

Revelation 18

 

If it was evil to murder 3000 ordinary people going about their daily routine to pay for the merchandise listed above, the US in it’s reaction magnified that evil by murdering over 1,000,000 innocent civilians in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and Yemen going about their daily routines for the same reasons Americans do, and having nothing to do with 9/11.

 

Is that the PRICE Americans think is worth it, as the President of the UN-United States is threatening "FIRE AND FURY LIKE THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN" Dismiss that FACT and REALITY at your own risk.

 

The Americans rationalize those deaths simply as collateral damage and of no real concern, as if they were not human and as innocent as those Americans who died on 9/11. Americans dismiss any culpability without considering God is also the Judge of  Nations.

When American politicians say “God Bless America” it will be in vain until America humbles itself before Almighty God. That Reverend Wright might have been right after all by all the empirical evidence.

Seven years after 9/11 the world witnessed the other shoe dropping. Since the 2600 year old Bible story was written in the Captivity of Babylon, the whole world for the 1st Time at the same Time saw ‘The Writing on the Wall’ as the Global financial meltdown/economic Pearl Harbour-tsunami hit the world in September 2008.

As consumers buy less and less having less and less money left over to spend for their labours, the merchants are becoming increasingly worried no man will buy their merchandise any more in the near term Future in this real world.

EDMONTON JOURNAL July 25, 1981

 

Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, With what shall we be clothed?

(For after all these things do the Gentiles/unbelievers seek:) for your heavenly Father knows that you have need of all these things.

But first look for the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

Matthew 6:31-34

 

There is so much more involved than just Islamic terrorism as the major Powers of THIS WORLD would have you believe.

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of THIS WORLD, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Ephesians 6:12

 

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

To him that OVERCOMES will I grant to SIT WITH ME in my throne, even as I ALSO OVERCAME, and

AM set down with my Father in his throne.
He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.     

Revelation 3

 

Someone’s knockin’ at the door, Somebody’s ringin’ the bell
Do me a favor, Open the door and let ’em in

Paul McCartney and Wings 'Let em in' 1976

 

I was highly visible at The Republican National Convention in Kansas City in the Spirit of ’76.

I report how, to my great surprise and wonder, I was whisked out of a crowd of Ford Republicans in the sardine packed Lobby of the Crown Center Hotel and led to the podium of The President of the United States on a Secret Service restricted balcony.

With my shoulder length hair and beard, sporting a No. 13 jersey standing at The President’s podium, I found myself waving to all the people below and ABC, CBS & NBC broadcasting live. All eyes were looking up to that spot expecting President Ford to be standing there. Unexpectedly and somewhat dumbfounded finding myself in such an unusual position, it did not occur to me to speak into the microphone.

The very image and scene is uniquely revolutionary for any Republican or Presidential Appearance in the Spirit of ’76, or in the years before and since.

I was happy just being in the crowd below. As a Canadian, it was the 1st time I saw a President live, and even though I wasn’t a Republican, I was caught up in the excitement of the crowd. A band was playing the Paul McCartney & Wings tune in the video linked above.

 

You are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it gives light unto all that are in the house.
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 5

 

Vancouver Sun, October 3, 1981

Click on the link above to see The Vancouver Sun report: ‘Divine gifts’ inspire ex-executive to tramp the land with a message'

 

Catastrophic Terrorism: Tackling the New Danger
 
 IMAGINING THE TRANSFORMING EVENT

In December 1998, Former US Defence Secretary Ash Carter, US Undersecretary of Defence John Deutch and Philip Zelikow, Executive Director of the 9/11 Commission, wrote this in Foreign Affairs Journal,

A successful attack with weapons of mass destruction could certainly take thousands, or tens of thousands, of lives. If the device that exploded in 1993 under the World Trade Center had been nuclear, or had effectively dispersed a deadly pathogen, the resulting horror and chaos would have exceeded our ability to describe it.

Such an act of catastrophic terrorism would be a watershed event in American history. It could involve loss of life and property unprecedented in peacetime and undermine America’s fundamental sense of security, as did the Soviet atomic bomb test in 1949.

Like Pearl Harbor, this event would divide our past and future into a before and after. The United States might respond with draconian measures, scaling back civil liberties, allowing wider surveillance of citizens, detention of suspects, and use of deadly force. More violence could follow, either further terrorist attacks or U.S. counterattacks.

 

I find it curious it happened just like that 3 years later, and one of the Authors was able to control what information the 9/11 Commission was able to see?

 

January 14, 2017.

I just watched this 48 minute Documentary on the work done by a renowned Forensic Scientist on the “collapse” of the Towers on 9/11. She claims what happened on 9/11 was the demonstration of unlimited Free Energy, that while used for malevolent purposes on 9/11, the potential of that technology could move the Nations to beat their swords into plow shares and their spears into pruning hooks and the Nations would have no need for War any more.

I watched it alone, wishing I had someone to discuss what we just saw. I would urge you to gather some friends or even one, and watch it together. I’m sure you’ll agree with me it’s worth watching and sharing. This is not a conspiracy video. It is pure Scientific investigation based on solid evidence.

We were blinded to what we saw by the MSM in the saturation coverage saying all Day over and over again, ‘the buildings collapsed’ because of the fire, so that’s was we saw.

This video restores our sight to the reality of what all of saw with our own eyes on 9/11, solid steel turned to dust in the air before hitting the ground.

 

VIDEO OF DOCTOR JUDY WOOD ON 9/11 - FORENSIC SCIENTIST

Comments

Ray Joseph Cormier Added Sep 11, 2017 - 9:57am
Dannll. if you took the TIME to notice, the newspaper Dates are spread out. As I hitch hiked, people picked me up and took me home with them. It was easy to do a laundry as they treated me like a king.
Eventually I learned the words so that Hotels and Motel Managers let me say for Free when I was not invited to stay with others.
 
I had to pay $10/night to stay at THE MOUNT ROYAL HOTEL on the Main Street as I hitchhiked through Banff, Alberta, that International, very expensive Tourist Destination. Hotel Rooms cost as much as Trump's new, expensive Hotel in Washington.
 
You ask, "I am interested in knowing how you got so much press coverage." Honestly, I wondered about the same thing? But I was a salesman most of my Life. There are many more newspapers records than those you see here, coast to coast in CanaDa, spread over many years.
 
How could someone with shoulder length hair, beard and wearing a #13 jersey, having no money or organization supporting me, or famous name, be able to walk in off the street to so many Major Dailies, and have them chronicle my Personal Voyage of Faith?
 
I still have that original #13 jersey and is still shines. Unfortunately, in my 74th year, my bulge bulges out way too much to wear it. :(
 
Maybe it had something to do with the Spirit of this letter?
These things say he that is Holy, he that is True, he that has the key of David, he that opens, and no man shuts; and shuts, and no man opens;
I know your works: behold, I have set before you an open door, and no man can shut it: for you have a little strength, and have kept my word, and have not denied my name.
 
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.
Revelation 3
 
Seems too few people Today know, by the simple conditions for inclusion, they qualify for membership in that Spiritual Church of Philadelphia.
 
 
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 11, 2017 - 10:53am
Seems you know the Youth Hostel in Calgary where I stayed for 3 months in 1980 before moving to a rented house with 10 roommates LOL
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Sep 11, 2017 - 11:50am
No, but the 1st night when I arrived late, I was invited to stay the night with the Head Doorman at the Bannff Springs Hotel as I walked around with the backpack on my back.
 
The Banff Springs Hotel is a luxury hotel that was built during the 19th century as one of Canada's grand railway hotels, being constructed in Scottish Baronial style and located in Banff National Park, Alberta, Canada. The hotel was opened to the public on June 1, 1888. In peak Skiing Season, rooms cost up to $1000/night
 
You can see pictures of it's Old World Grandeur HERE.
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 11, 2017 - 12:13pm
Wow. 1000 bucks....
Stone-Eater Friedli Added Sep 11, 2017 - 4:32pm
Just saw you reply on my article, Ray. You see, I don't give much in people who make predictions 2000 years in the future. Not counting who has written something for which purpose and how many translations have been made since then to suit a certain purpose and time. Same with the Hadith vs. the Quran.
 
I live in the here and now, and I see what WE fuck up. And people might wait as well for another 2000 years for the return of a carpenter born out of a virgin in the Christian year 0.
 
No personal insult, but no one will ever be able to convince me of a god. Sorry.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Sep 11, 2017 - 6:09pm
Fair enough Stone-eater. You live with your choices as I do with mine. But I will not let anyone deprive me of my right to Freedom of Speech and express my beliefs as the Atheists do.
 
Besides, in the Chronology of the Book, it clearly states there will be a great "falling away" before the end. Everything's on schedule!
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Sep 12, 2017 - 7:20am
Dannl, my reply in response to you was long in the attempt to satisfy your curiosity, which I did sincerely, without exaggeration or embellishment. It was a poor choice of phrasing leading into it.
Dave Volek Added Sep 12, 2017 - 12:22pm
So Ray, what have you really accomplished in your life?
 
Just wondering!
 
Ari Silverstein Added Sep 12, 2017 - 12:35pm
Indiscriminately killing innocent people for the purpose of advancing a political agenda is called terrorism.  The purpose of our action in Afghanistan, Iraq and potentially North Korea is to prevent more innocent people from losing their life at the hands of terrorists or crazy people.  If it were true that Americans are a war mongering, hateful people, I completely agree with this article.  I think the suggestion is preposterous, after all, we have strongest military in the world and use it very infrequently.  By way of example, the moment North Korea launched a missile over Japan it should have been annihilated. 
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Sep 12, 2017 - 3:14pm
"we have strongest military in the world and use it very infrequently."
 
The US  uses it more than any other Country on Earth. The US is the only Nation to use Nukes. Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya Syria just to name a few current places the US is engaged in War.
 
 
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Sep 12, 2017 - 3:17pm
Dave, if you really want to know, check this out. What have you done?
Dave Volek Added Sep 12, 2017 - 3:58pm
Ray,
 
I'll just give my honest opinion here, and you can do what you want with it.
 
I'm finding your connections between Biblical prophecy and world events during your lifetime very specious, which is typical of many modern interpreters of Christian prophecy.
 
Since your prophetic interpretations lack credibility with me, so too are your claims that you somehow influenced world leaders to do  "right things." If you were really that good, I would expect better results.
 
I never heard of you before. Or maybe I should say that maybe I have heard of you but it was obviously forgettable. You seem to have (or have had?) a knack for the media's attention, but that does not make you right.
 
Your website is mostly about self promotion of how right you are. It seems you have been interpreting prophecy for close to 40 years, and, to my thinking, you should be better at it--if you indeed that good.
 
I think you are one of many Christian charlatans out there. But to your credit, I don't see you milking millions off gullible followers.
 
What have I done? Let's see. First off, I haven't claimed that I personally have received a message from God. I am, in many ways, quite ordinary. I'm raising a family, going to work, paying some taxes, and trying to do good things for other people.
 
I also read the Bible in my 20s, from front-to-back. It took me about a year. My conclusion was that the Bible is mysterious book and we could spend a lifetime of study and never figure it out. Anyone who claimed he or she understood the Bible was a fool. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
john guzlowski Added Sep 12, 2017 - 4:46pm
Jesus once spoke to me.  I was sleeping in the desert outside of Elko, NV.  It was 1968 or 1969.  I don't remember anymore.  I was sleeping and I heard a voice.  
 
The voice was dry, sandy.  And I could hear the wind behind it, there was a darkness in it too.  But as soon as it spoke I knew it was Jesus.  I woke up in fear, because I had been a sinner for a long time, and my sins were bad ones.
 
And he said, don't worry, Johnny.  I'm not hear about your sins.  They are just something you do.  Don't worry about them.  I'm here to tell you to go home and be a good boy to your mom and dad, a real helper.
 
And I nodded my head and the voice was gone.
 
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Sep 12, 2017 - 7:23pm
Dave, I respect your honesty but I do object to this, "Your website is mostly about self promotion of how right you are." That is a false assertion. I posted 72 articles since 2011 and I doubt you took the Time to go through them all.
 
I write about my experience and how my life changed when I came alive to God and God came alive to me in ONE DAY.
 
I was not consciously looking for God. I was like the Atheists on Writer Beat, but I didn't disparage the Faith of the Jehovah Witness or Mormons knocking on my door.  Seems to me the majority Atheists here are having a hard Time dealing with a Man of God.
 
I have not disparaged anyone for their lack of Faith, but they love to attack and mock mine!
 
There is no pressure on me to convince you or anyone to believe as I do. It's my life I surrendered to God, and I am at Peace with God living in me.
 
'And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when you depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.'
or website!
 
You ask, "So Ray, what have you really accomplished in your life?"
If you did read the link up stream, that's unusual.
In addition, I was attending my 1st Year University at age 16.
I was an Officer Cadet in the Canadian Navy Reserve and I crossed the Pond (The Atlantic) on a Warship, visiting Ireland where I kissed the Blarney Stone, and England.
 
I was a Labourer for The Foundation Company of CanaDa on the Distant Early Warning Line in 1963 when Kennedy was Assassinated. The Warning Line is no longer Distant, and it's getting Late.
 
The 1st car I had was a Company Car with an Expense Account that allowed me to experience the Finest Restaurants in Montreal. At 24, my pay package in Montreal was $25,000 in 1968 Dollars. That bought the same stuff that costs $170,000 these Days.
 
I had a Business Card that read, "National Marketing Representative, Mining Division, Dominion Engineering Works Ltd."
 
I spent 14 months hitch hiking through some 45 States seeking the Spirit of '76. I ran out of money, continued on empty, and didn't lack a thing.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ari Silverstein Added Sep 13, 2017 - 11:18am
The United States is military and economic superpower.  No other country has the financial means or military strength (both closely related) to keep the peace.  That is what we’re doing when we put our young men and women into harm’s way.  As for our use of nuclear weapons 70 years ago, the people involved in that decision are no longer in charge.  While you’re at it, do you hold living Americans  responsible for slavery or atrocities committed against American Indians?  
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Sep 13, 2017 - 12:15pm
Ari, I don't hold present day Jews responsible for the murderous rampage the Jewish Patriarchs perpetrated on the Indigenous People already on the "Promised Land" by their false promise of Peace, if the residents did what the Patriarchs demanded to make Peace. The residents did exactly what the Jewish Patriarchs demanded and were still murdered as described in Genesis 34.
 
It's too late to reverse the Jewish Genocide in killing the men, women, children and livestock in Canaan, the so called Promised Land the Jewish Ancestors wrought on the People and animals with Joshua's invasion. The Jews alive Today are not responsible for that, but this generation did not arise in a vacuum. Our History has a great influence in shaping how we are Today.
 
It is FAIR GAME to hold the Israeli Government accountable for it's actions TODAY.
 
I also know G_d is CHOOSING OTHER PEOPLE alive all over this World, everywhere, TODAY, and not necessarily in temporal Israel recreated from the Bible.
 
john guzlowski Added Sep 13, 2017 - 1:35pm
How I Lost God
I was sitting in a church, St. Ferdinand's on Austin Ave in Chicago, and a priest was talking. I don't remember any more what he was saying. It was the kind of stuff priests were always saying, about being good or donating more money to the church, and I looked up at the space around me. It was beautiful and huge. The church was one of those old immigrant churches. I looked at the people around me and they were looking down at their hands or at the children sitting next to them.

Then I looked again at the space above the moms and dads and their kids, and it seemed empty. There was no God there, no Jesus or Holy Spirit, just the emptiness and the priest's voice going on and on.
And I left the church and knew I would never be back.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Sep 13, 2017 - 1:44pm
john, I read that comment Yesterday in Stone Eater's article HOW I FOUND GOD.
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Sep 13, 2017 - 1:49pm
On reflection, a clarification of the last sentence in my reply to Ari just before john's comment.
 
I also know G_d is CHOOSING OTHER PEOPLE alive all over this World, everywhere, TODAY, from every Nation, Tongue and Skin Tone, not exclusively in temporal Israel recreated from the Bible after some 2800 YEARS.
Dave Volek Added Sep 13, 2017 - 4:37pm
Ray:
 
I apologize for coming on too strong. You do have the right to a religion of your choice. And as long as you are not hurting anyone with your religion, you should be free to practice it.
 
While I'm not seeing anything "bad" with your version of Christianity (no stockpiling of weapons, polygamy, etc), I'm not seeing much good either.
 
Jesus said it very well: "You can determine the quality of the tree by the fruit bears."
 
 
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Sep 13, 2017 - 8:56pm
Dave, if you click on my thumbnail image, it links to a place where you can read all 217 comments I've made in all the articles that got my interest in WriterBeat.
 
That should give you some idea of the priorities in my 'religion.'
Dave Volek Added Sep 14, 2017 - 12:03pm
Ray:
I gave your articles and comments a try. But I'm not finding much of useful substance. Sorry.
 
Dannl: Polygamy just might be worthy of another article, but I'll give a quick summary.
 
Let's put religion and what is right/wrong aside. Let's cast our focus on a future society where polygamy was the "way." Let's assume that men could marry as wives as they wanted and the women had the freedom to enter into this kind of arrangement.
 
Obviously, some men would be more successful at attracting wives than others. Because nature gives us a 50:50 balance in males to females, it is very logical that a lot of males would never have a mate or life partner. This means a lot of discontented males. First is the inability for some degree of sexual satisfaction. Second is the building of a family, and third is the benefit of a life partner. If we accept a polygamous culture, then we would have to accept that a lot of males are going to be unfulfilled in these three attributes of life. 
 
When so many people are fulfilled, how strong is that society, really?
 
 
Dave Volek Added Sep 14, 2017 - 1:22pm
Dannl:
 
I think in the days of unbridled warfare, when men were being killed off at alarming rate, polygamy made some sociological sense.
 
When Mohammed tamed the Arabian peninsula, he said no more than four wives--and the man must be wealthy enough to afford the other three.
 
I think there is a grey line between a legal wife and a mistress and maybe even a one-stand. It seems to me that when a man moves beyond his marriage, he finds a whole bunch of trouble he did not need. This is even before we consider whatever religious consequence are to be applied.
 
Dave Volek Added Sep 15, 2017 - 12:41pm
Yep, it is a paradox on which polygamy we prosecute.
 
The offshoot Mormons are a dysfunctional culture. Teenage brides and too many young men kicked out of their community bringing their baggage into the general community to deal with----yeah, I'm favor of giving this group a hard time.
 
Most Muslims I know are monogamous. But most is not all. There is higher degree of polygamy than in general society. I would make life difficult for any man with two valid marriage certificates to his name. 
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Sep 15, 2017 - 4:30pm
And the Wisest of the Wise from the Bible Stories, king Solomon, had 700 wives and 300 concubines, kept women in his Palace for his exclusive personal pleasures.
 
Supposedly he wrote the 'Song of Songs' or 'Song of Solomon,' a subtle example of soft porn.
Dave Volek Added Sep 16, 2017 - 6:42pm
Dannl:
 
I'm trying to bring this polygamy discussion into the realm of sociology, not religion. I like to ask two questions:
 
What if everybody did that?
What if nobody did that?
 
Let's take the offshoot sects of the Mormon faith, the ones who practice polygamy. If we were adopt this as a common practice--where the more powerful and influential men had as many wives as they wanted, what kind of nation would we become?
 
I predict that women would become chattels of these men. Their only use is sexual satisfaction, child-bearing, and housework (which is exactly where the sect places these women today). There would be no female doctors, engineers, truck drivers, managers, political leaders, medical staff, artists, etc. Society would be deprived of much of the talents from the female gender.
 
I predict that those men out of the power and influence circles (about 80% of them) would become very disenchanted with life, sowing seeds for further societal discontent. Think of the police needed to keep these men from rioting.
 
And we only have Bountiful, BC to look for as an example. This is not an enlightened community showing the world a new and better way.
 
Ray:
I cannot see the point you were trying to make. Am I supposed to somehow read between the lines and come to the same conclusion as you?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Ray Joseph Cormier Added Sep 17, 2017 - 12:09pm
Dave, you and Dannl were going on about polygamy, were you not?
 
I would expect the majority of Atheists on this site are not aware of the most famous polygamist of all Time.
My comment is just a statement of FACT from the Bible. There's no reading between the lines.
 
Am I advocating polygamy? Not at all. I can't imagine the taxes the Jews had to pay to support Israeli king Solomon's sexual appetites so long ago.